God and the blind Tailors

Thank you for the exchange rev ...
Hope things are well with you.Some have accused me of worse crimes than open theism. I commend you on your ability to distinguish between real[ity] and roman[ce]. I find it difficult to believe that you really think only that. It appears to over simplify things tremendously. Within the intricately woven realm of the twenty-first century’s plural societies remains an awareness; a widespread desire to gain from significant impacts provided by indigenous faith based religions.Increasing demand sprouts forth in favor of reliable and accessible knowledge wherein we may find solutions to the challenges time & consequence deliver. Where indigenous religions have historically laid the cornerstones for civilizations throughout history, the subsequent evolution of various forms of religious thought directly influence significant world events, as well as international relations and circumstance. These implications reach past assigning attributes.In the end, watering down the process mankind is collectively experiencing to a measly attempt at classifying externals may appear to be short in coming. Perhaps you are correct ...Yet, some contend to know that God desires sacrafice, while others hope the Father desires mercy.Some will go to war to protect their investment. Others will be ridiculed and murdered to live theirs.The two are mutually exclusive. That doesn't seem so blasphemous imho, but rather interesting.Imagine that everytime the poignant, and oh, so adorable, model is fit by the most proficient tailors of the semester that, without wasting a nary o' time, the perfected suit is cleverly intercepted, and - as cleverly - later returned, by the resident pranksters of the university who seem to desire nothing more or nothing less than to add insult to injury by implementing less than desirable alterations which cause the, once fine, suit to bunch up in all of the wrong places, and so, unawares of the mischievous youths supposedly innocent antics, the suit is donned - most disastrously - in preparation of picture day.Real funny ... I enjoyed the potato sack bit! Although, it may be unfortunate that so many right wing fundamentalists have missed the spirit of the potato sack, instead embracing, what often seems to appear as, the spirit of the emperor's 'new clothes'.As a self prolaimed 'christian', do you ever wonder why your various suit manufacturering plants are unable to employ the same template within their assembly lines? Please don't suggest it is because variety is the spice of Life ...That is obvious. I just laughed so hard a cheerio flew out my nose! lol - no more cereal @ the laptop during rev's posts!!Anyway, considering how often one can find two self proclaimed 'christians' sportin' new suits designed by separate manufacturers and all, it may come as lil' surprise for the audience to learn that your perception of the cut and style of your suit seems to be a one of a kind fit to you. Yet, is that important? Can our variant perceptions of cut and style consistently align with an established standard preference?If so, why so much disunity among the variant traditions associated to christian dogmas & doctrines, rather than a disciplined, uniform standard?Lemme take a gander here ...Designing suits is more proftable than wearing them? What is this - a comedy act!? Thank you ladies and gentlemen. The names RevCrossHugger and we'll be here all week [badoomp - tis]On a more serious note, thankfully many traditions are not right at all, but rather left, as the radical prophetic traditions carried on by the Prophets of the Original Testaments, of which Yeshua HaMashiach obediently culminated. If being left is wrong, I don't wanna be right. Had they not been canonized into the final Roman scripture text collection, we may have no words of wisdom to quench the thirst of the lost tribes of christianity, much less anyone else. The Hebrew God? So, you're actually a kosher, ToRaH abiding jew?I thought you were a self proclaimed christian. Either way, more power to you and glory to the Father, friend. However, I'd caution you of the distractions interweaved throughout the superstitions of 2^nd Temple Judaism and it's lover, Imperial Christianity, most of which you're likely aware of, nonetheless.btw - exactly who has been chosen will be revealed on the last day. Until then, if you cannot refrain, your former statement should pleasantly suffice. I hope it makes sense to you, as you are ultimately the one who must live with the consequences of the beliefs you choose to validate.I'd also say you are probably spot on as far as your final assessment regarding the abilities of this topic to promote unity.However, if placing yourself in the spotlight is indeed your humble desire, it seems as you have taken center stage.Welcome to EvC RevCrossHugger. Hope you enjoy your stay.One Love

Thank you for the brief exchange granny ...
Hope things are well with you and yours. This appears suggestive towards a not-so subtle display of death anxiety, perhaps instilled by rev's initial exposure to Imperial Roman[ticized] Christianity and combined with his underlying conviction that Yeshua is indeed HaMashiach. Often, christians realize, upon concluding that Yeshua is HaMashiach, that murdering Yeshua was not the only option humanity had at its disposal to accomplish the establishment of undefiled traditions and continuous living.Yet, they are taught to think that suggesting otherwise is a display of blasphemy and weak faith that may most certainly cost them their salvation.

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Ritualistic behavior on the part of both individuals and social institutions generally has the underlying purpose of channeling and finding employment for what otherwise would surface as disorganizing death anxiety.

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People seem to derive protection against death anxiety from worldview faith as well as from their own self-esteem. "Worldview faith" can be understood as religious belief or some other conviction that human life is meaningful, as well as general confidence that society is just and caring.

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This is where reasoning wrestles with romance; unless one fertilizes their seed of faith firmly in the hocus pocus magic blood rituals derived from the blood libel assigned to Yeshua's innocence by some poli-religious pranksters who were constantly on the prowl to indulge their insatiable lusts for the Fat o' the Land™ and continual Shedding of Innocent Blood™; both trademarks of the corrupted Levitical priesthood, upon whose shoulders, according to the Law and the Prophets, the entire hocus pocus blood magic rituals lay, Yeshua did not have to be murdered.Depending on the distinct concentration of indocrination that one has experienced, it may take a lotta courage for some to speak against that murder.Yet, there seems to be an abundance of inspiration; where many are coming out of Babylon, Yeshua set the stage for Martin Luther and the rest.If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'They surely would not have condemned the innocent.Perhaps rev is coming of age.One Love

Thank you for the exchange rev.
Hope things are good with you ... Let's hope so ... The position of open theism exploits more about the nature of time and reality than it does about the Father Himself. I'm sure your familiar with Boyd's perspective. In orthodox christian circles it's usually referred to as 'wussin out', as opposed to liberal theism. Again, in that context, I would suggest it as simply exiting Babylon. You have one foot in the door perhaps?Remember Lot's wife ... C'mon rev, that's not entirely true or you wouldn't be here with everybody savin' souls now, would you? Ok. What would that have to do with the ultimate reduction of religion? My point was that religion is more than simply assigning attributes to a Deity.It involves life.It involves love.It involves family.It involves politics.It involves traditions.It involves corruption.It involves civilizations.It involves much more than you wish to reduce it to. There is plenty of bandwidth. Perhaps, the limitations of discipline and reality are demanding brevity ...Possibly even intellect, though it seems most polite to always offer the benefit of doubt. Nice. 'Why be serious or address various issues directly, when I can amuse myself?' ... Is this what you are saying more or less?I have enough material thanks. Additionally, we wouldn't want anyone to mistake us for one another now, would we? Although that would seem to be your first display of humility, what would your proof for such an assertion be?Chapter and verse, perhaps ... or more fancy gibberish? I would have to second oni in Message 3 and suggest that arrogance makes sure of that. If religion didn't propose to hold so much on the line, perhaps practitioners would not behave so rashly. Certainly it is not natural, is it? I mean, if so, would we not all be born with bibles and an easy to read thumping manual? What does this ambiguous beauty mean?Are you suggesting that the twelve disciples of Yeshua HaMashiach were evil or that all subsequent religious leaders are inherently evil?If so, I call bullshit. What is your evidence? No, you probably cannot and should not attempt to speak for other religions, much less Red Letter chrisitianity, until you can figure out your own. Granted, you appear to have picked the right board to temper your precious metals. Nonetheless, the evasive and belittling tactics you choose to employ seem to effectively expose any threat of Red Letter christianity you may supposedly possess, and so, you have calmed my oceans.Try being genuine or sincere. Perhaps you'll wind up an authentic Red Letter Anointed One by accident. One can hope ... You're no heretic, that's for sure ... I'd have to say that may be the only way I could easily come to like you. Here's to walking the talk ...[cheers]This gets back to disunity amongst traditions which you seem to have conveniently avoided, apparently citing that topic as a personal attack in Message 13. Whatever. I probably should not realistically expect less from a self proclaimed christian, considering the only three biblical mentions towards christians were not self identifying.Yet, again, I enjoy giving the benefit of the doubt or I'd be at a fundie board gettin' my ears tickled. For example, if it wasn't for the counter weight of the blind watchmaker's in our reality, your friends in seminary and yourself may have blown each other up or declared war on each other years ago.I'm just sayin' ... be thankful in all things rev. lol - wtf? Rev, I'm attempting to enter into some dialogue with you in a language you supposedly understand. It was your metaphor and my response followed reasonably enough for you to digress into an appeal of emotion. This appears to suggest, quite simply, that either you are not as mentally prepared as one may hope or that you do not have a firm grip on the language you are choosing to communicate in. Kinda pampered it would seem for a supposed hillbilly redneck, but I still luv ya!Again, there were no personal remarks. You have soft skin is all.For example, what is there to be identified as personally malicious in the comments that I extracted from Message 8 which now appear below ...

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1) Can our variant perceptions of cut and style consistently align with an established standard preference?

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2) If so, why so much disunity among the variant traditions associated to christian dogmas & doctrines, rather than a disciplined, uniform standard?

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The answer = nothing. Yet, you appeal to emotion in light of difficult and challenging issues. Fascinating.I could, perhaps, come to understand how you may come to take the additional comment to heart ...

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3) Lemme take a gander here ...

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Designing suits is more proftable than wearing them?

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If, say, you were indeed guilty of the charge. Yet, again, I'd rather give you the benefit of the doubt here.But you gotta stop actin' so guilty bro - lol Congrats. I'm sure the Anointed One, Yeshua, would be thrilled by your ability to mock others in a public forum.If you muster up some piety, perhaps we can tarry on back towards progressive dialogue.Until then ... I'll leave my short comings exposed to all those who can see past the surface. Ah, thank you indeed rev. You have contributed, at least, even if in a small way.You know what they say sir - don't despise the days of small beginnings.On that note, I digress friend ... enjoy.One Love

Thank you for the exchange purpledawn ...
Hope things are well with you and yours. Your insights are very appreciated purpledawn and I agree many traditions do not stress or even involve creator theories. Religions are indeed as diverse as the languages spoken, the music made and the subsistence employed by the many and various people who find them meaningful and satisfying.You likely are aware that as a result of widespread European monarchical colonialism combining with the trancultural or global religions, such as Buddhism, Imperial Christianity and Islam, a fair share of indigenous religions have been destroyed, rejected or abandoned.Now, continuing in this understanding, where some have accepted the arriving religion on their own terms and slotted it into their own unique indigenous understanding, many other indigenous religions have been adapted to the presence of the more powerful or dominating religions.Granted, there are many that also continue with considerable vitality and creativity.Imho, such processes that keep religions continuously relevant are not only interesting in themselves, but, as rev's openly theistic interpretation's of his belief system may present, they seem to provide the most recent examples of the quite ordinary fact that all religions continuously change.'Tradition' does not mean that nothing ever changes, as much as it may indicate that one generation sets standards by which the next might judge the value of an idea or practice before changing. This is an integral role played by the Original Testament prophetic traditions.They may accordingly be the first practitioners recorded as employing what may now commonly be known as a unique form of critical theory.Indigenous religions, and religions in general, are rarely simple or simplistic and needn't be mistaken for the basic building blocks from which 'more advanced' religions take form or evolve, much less are they 'simple attributes', nor are they the fossilized remains of the earliest or first religions.Perhaps, in summary, religions may be considered to be ways in which particular groups of people seek the means of improving health, happiness and even wealth for themselves, their families and their communities, while, most commonly, communing with perceptions of the divine.As you seem to be suggesting, and I would quickly agree, finding out what a particular group means by health, wealth and happiness, and how they will go about improving these, may greatly enhance one's understanding of that particular group's culture, and hence, religious parameters.One Love

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I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have condemned the innocent; why trust what I say when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

I love ya rch, but ...
You are killin' me.[lol - bold added for empahsis]After reading over the majority of this thread again, I have come to the conclusion that your memory hasn't served you well as of late.That, or perhaps you actually are an arrogant prick. I'm rooting for memory loss nonetheless. Chances are, I can carry your prickly burdens ... That said, I will take a couple of moments to refresh things for you and others.Within Message 1 of your op, while describing the perceptions of superiority that you harbor towards your religion, you boldly stated ...

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Well of course being a Christian I feel that my students suit fit’s the very best! The cut and style is nearly perfect.

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So you see even though the other religions do not describe God more closely they are not as right as my religion is.

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[bold added for empahsis]So, about three hours later, onifre cordially responded to you and initiated some friendly dialogue towards the metaphor you presented within your op.Additionally, he asked you if you would care to to provide evidence for further assertions that were made within.Finally, oni made one last statement in response to the following, and final, comment located within your premise ...

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I hope this makes some sense, although it won’t solve many problems perhaps it will shed some light on my beliefs.

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[bold added for empahsis]Now, while also considering the former comments you made regarding perceptions of 'christian' superiority, oni matter of factly stated in Message 3 ...

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I beleive this sheds light into the arrogance of belief and faith.

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[bold added for empahsis]Within this statement are to be found no personal implications, malicious or otherwise, with the exception being, of course, in one's imagination.The arrogance that onifre refers to in this particular instance is in relation to the nouns 'belief and faith' and the implications that they encompass.However, the arrogance clearly does not reference an individual directly. Continuing on, later in this thread, within Message 13 you stated ...

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I did intend to say that no religion was 100% correct. We are only right by degrees. Uncertainty makes sure of that.

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[bold added for empahsis]Finally, at which point, in Message 21, I politely disagreed and suggested a distinct and separate mechanism at work other than uncertainty ...

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I would have to second oni in Message 3 and suggest that arrogance makes sure of that.

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[bold added for empahsis]Again, in no way was this personally directed at an individual, but rather towards the concept of a specific mechanism. Big difference.A group of people can be uncertain about things together without being arrogant sir. However, it takes only a lil' leaven to leaven the loaf.So, in the end of the matter, it seems as there are no personal implications to be found within this statement either, considering, as it is, the arrogance discussed within this latter statement is simply in support of an initial perception of arrogance found within the former statement, both of which are directed towards, what should be percieved as, the arrogance that is required to establish various exclusive claims regarding concepts of a subjective nature; things such as, in this particular instance, faith and belief systems. Man 'o man, it sho' 'nuf seems like you gotta guilty conscience - lolKeep diggin' holes and we'll fill 'em in for ya, after all, one needn't be educated to run a mexican backhoe.One LoveEdited by Bailey, : sp.

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I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have condemned the innocent; why trust what I say when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

Thank you for the exchange rch.
Hope things are well with you ... No problems sir. The points were not meant to be pretty and, indeed, I am not often accused of such, so thank you for that my good man. I am aware that various styles, along with a number of presuppositions that are lent credence, often seem heterodox.Yet, the thing is, as far as difficult understandings go, there is the appearance of a trend, that you may perhaps be able to identify with, where many people who are taught to fear HaSaTaN and the fires o' Gehinom do not care a lick what the Good Book says, as much as they become concerned with them ever changing winds o' doctine, as well as those tasty servings of Ho Lee Wa Wa that, while never actually quenching one's thirst, are, apparently, bottled down by those seemingly endless bubblin' springs of dogmatism, all of which, after being manufactured and propagated by the Born Again Pharisees of the world, will supposedly 'save' the heathens from HaSaTaN and the fires o' Gehinom.That's not all folks - the winners will also receive a copy of our home game and a lifetime supply of Rice-A-Roni - the San Francisco Treat!!lol - it is all quite ambiguous, you must admit ... well, you mustn't, but ... you know what I mean. Maybe.It's just ... well - woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You cross land and sea to make one convert, and when you get one, you make him twice as much a child of Gehinom as yourselves!Ya know what I mean, jean? lol - that's one way of looking at things ... I like to think it does, but these things needn't be the fuel for fire. Are there not plenty of reasons to thrive continuously all around us, as we focus on those all around us in the moment?Are things not on the line already, even without the ghostly heaven/hell jazz attached to neo-secular Imperial christianity? Ultimately, do you really need a reward in order to behave like an adult?If Life has taught me anything, it is that you may not get one for that particular reason. It appears as though some things are simply expected of us ...If my behavior is any indication, some of us clearly outperform others within such an arena. (as Stile may say - eeep !)This is one of the reasons it becomes easy to suspect that you may not be an authentic Red Letter Anointed One. I am not trying to be rude, as this is not meant as an insult. It is simply my personal interpretation, based on various observations thus far, while simultaneously considering various Red Letters.Consider ...A study of Matthew 23 reveals a depiction of Yeshua discussing what titles are appropriate to bestow upon our fellow human beings if things are to go well. Everybody is told that they are not to be called 'Pastor' or ‘Rabbi,' for we have one Teacher and we are all brothers. Instead, the opposite is done.With this in mind, is it really a coincidence that things continue to go to shit worldwide when even such a simple request cannot be met and is, even more so, plainly ignored? I mean, is He really asking that much from people on this one? This is only the tip of the iceberg too, and you know it, as we all do.Now, please understand that I do not necessarily liken you as to a wolf that is wearing a suit which has been tailored for a sheep. However, when you allow yourself to be classified and referenced in such a way that ignores an Anointed request, it may trip a red flag for those who actually associate a certain value to Red Print. Granted, those who decide to have the Good Book read to them may not notice or care so much about the details, considering, if they looked in 'em, they may find exactly what it is they are afraid of ...So, exactly what am I, as an admirer of the Red Letters of Yeshua HaMashiach, and a heathen that will be measured a portion of mercy accordingly, supposed to think when a gentlemen wanders in claiming to be a Teacher of the Anointing, while attempting to tease all the lil' kids into disclosing their academic credentials on his behalf?Correct me where I am wrong, please, because it just seems a lil' odd, is all; almost like a test of sorts. Shall I think of you as a teacher, in the fashion of Yeshua, or would it be wiser to think of you as a heathen, like myself? I'm just sayin', you can lose points for not signing your name on the SAT's ...Additionally, while we are on the subject, we are told not to call any man 'father'. This, I conclude, is referring to being called father as a title of religious classification, a title that seemingly attempts to derive a certain superiority, considering such a title is depicted as the name and essence given to the Father, by the Father's dear Anointed One.Now, that title also happens to be the basis for a certain hierarchy attached to, at least, one Universal Church of God which has consistently been attempting to usurp authority from Yeshua for a good many years. So, it should reasonably follow that we must question whether such entities, as corporations, are indeed Anointed, or not.Do you disagree with my math, so far? Ok.Perhaps we should all keep in mind, as well, that the Father has chosen the lowly to shame the wise, considering, after all, Yeshua's disciples were not required to present any certificates, as far as I know, whether one could have been received from an apologetic seminary or otherwise.I didn't make that rule. Thank the Father. I didn't say that - lol.Although, it might not be too far off base to suggest I think you may be as confused as the rest of us at times. Yes. That is exactly how it works supposedly. I'd suggest there is no maybe about it ... One can hope. Now that's what I like to hear RevCrossHugger!! Your claims are likely ol' musty subjectively interpreted doctrines - aka. Neo-Secular Imperialist Dogma. Hopefully you can prove me wrong there. Regardless, whether they are backed by scripture still remains to be seen, as you have yet to put forth your merchandise ...That said, while I find your pursuit is certainly worthwhile, whether you claim to be Aboriginal, Kosher or Red Letter seems not to matter much in the end of it all. lol - whoaa, easy big fella ... I said congrats, didn't I?I'm certainly looking forward to addressing other areas of your response and furthering communications in general.Yet, first I shall wait and see if the Good lord may continue to grant you the patience and discipline required ...And a few extra minutes to engage in dialogue.Again, One can, and does, hope.One LoveEdited by Bailey, : grammar

Thanks for the exchange.
Hope things are well ... I was thinkin' it looked a lil' like V ... for Vendetta.You're probably right though, all things considered ...One Love

Thanks for the exchange Phat.
Hope things are well ... Some people have already taken the liberty of editing the one at our disposal - isn't that good 'nuf?lol - seriously though, it seems as a Shiny New Bible may face the same challenge as our musty one ...Subjective interpretation.This is one of the major issues at the heart of the matter, isn't it?One LoveEdited by Bailey, : title

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I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have condemned the innocent; why trust what I say when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

Thanks for the exchange Bri ...
Hope things are well with you. First, I want to say thank you for your honesty. I find it extremely encouraging. That said, your final statement above may be a tad bit misleading.Big Israel seems to have made off like a bandit, as well as lil' Israel, if their workover on the approximately 40 million members of the Haudenosaunee is any indication. Ol' uncle Sam certainly seems to have shared, in some strange form, Karl Marx and Lewis Henry Morgan's passionate attraction for the ‘League of the Ho de no sau nee’ among whom ‘the state did not exist’ and ‘Liberty, Equality and Fraternity, though never formulated, were cardinal principles’. ¹This ol' Confederacy is now more commonly associated by the eurocentric epithet that became bestowed upon them - the 'Iroquois'. The Haudenosaunee's sophisticated use of oratory skills surprised a good many of their contemporary observers. Their excellence with the spoken word, among other attributes, often caused Adams, Colden, Franklin, Marx, Morgan, etc. and others to frequent comparisons of the Haudenosaunee with the Greeks and Romans. ²HiStory has determined that the latter use of the term 'Iroquois' to describe the Haudenosaunee Confederacy was directly related to these ancient oral traditions, as the term originated from the practice of ending their orations with the two words hiro and kone. The first word translates to 'I say' or 'I have said' and the second term maintained employment, according to the circumstances of the speech, as an exclamation of joy or sorrow.So, as the two words were enjoined and further subjected to various foreign pronunciations, 'hiro-kone' became 'Iroquois'. European Imperialists were often exposed to the Haudenosaunee's oratorical skills during eighteenth-century treaty councils and they may have even learned a thing or two.Numerous passages in Karl Marx's Ethnological Notebooks - notes for a major study the founder of Marxism never lived to relay, may allude to his seemingly ironic interest which had formulated regarding an ancient spiritual democracy established through the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. ³ After Marx death, it seems the notebooks received surprisingly little attention as the better part of a century transpired. The peculiarity of such delay fades as one realizes the degree of challenge the notes may present towards what has so long passed for 'Marxism'.In a brief article by Franklin Rosemont, which may be difficult not to enjoy, he reveals "one of Marx’s notes includes Morgan's description of the formation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy as ‘a masterpiece of Indian wisdom’", as well as a notable fascination Marx beheld upon learning, as far in advance of the revolution as 1755, the Haudenosaunee recommended to the ‘forefathers of the Americans, a union of the colonies similar to their own.’ ⁴All things considered, this may come as little surprise as one accepts that the US constitution is actually derived, in part, from an indigenous document first established by The Five (and later Six) Nation Confederacy of the Haudenosaunee which underwent bulldozing to make way for a more 'manifest destiny'.
lol - perhaps the esteemed Benjamin Franklin's rudimentary, yet informative, words within a dusty Albany Plan of Union best illustrate this notion. ⁵ Nice. Rascals ...One Love

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1) Johansen, B. E., & Mann, B. A. (Eds.). (2000). Encyclopedia of the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois Confederacy). Westport, CT: Greenwood Press. (pp. 75-77)

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2) Johansen, B. E. (1982). Forgotten Founders. Ipswich, MA: Gambit Inc. (pp. 41)

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3) Morgan, L. H. (1910). Ancient Society. Chicago: Charles H. Kerr & Co. (pp. 84-86)

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4) Rosemont, F. (2005, July 5). Karl Marx and the Iroquois. Retrieved July 3, 2009, from Utah Edu. Archives: http://archives.econ.utah.edu/...arxism/2005w27/msg00071.htm

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5) Cornelius, C. (1998). Iroquois Corn in a Culture-Based Curriculum: A Framework for Respectfully Teaching about Cultures. Albany, NY: State University of New York Press. (pp. 15)

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I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have condemned the innocent; why trust what I say when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

Thank you for the exchange rch.
Hope things are well with you ...This is a bump of Message 85 ... where are ya rch? No problems sir. The points were not meant to be pretty and, indeed, I am not often accused of such, so thank you for that my good man. I am aware that various styles, along with a number of presuppositions that are lent credence, often seem heterodox.Yet, the thing is, as far as difficult understandings go, there is the appearance of a trend, that you may perhaps be able to identify with, where many people who are taught to fear HaSaTaN and the fires o' Gehinom do not care a lick what the Good Book says, as much as they become concerned with them ever changing winds o' doctine, as well as those tasty servings of Ho Lee Wa Wa that, while never actually quenching one's thirst, are, apparently, bottled down by those seemingly endless bubblin' springs of dogmatism, all of which, after being manufactured and propagated by the Born Again Pharisees of the world, will supposedly 'save' the heathens from HaSaTaN and the fires o' Gehinom.That's not all folks - the winners will also receive a copy of our home game and a lifetime supply of Rice-A-Roni - the San Francisco Treat!!lol - it is all quite ambiguous, you must admit ... well, you mustn't, but ... you know what I mean. Maybe.It's just ... well - woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You cross land and sea to make one convert, and when you get one, you make him twice as much a child of Gehinom as yourselves!Ya know what I mean, jean? lol - that's one way of looking at things ... I like to think it does, but these things needn't be the fuel for fire. Are there not plenty of reasons to thrive continuously all around us, as we focus on those all around us in the moment?Are things not on the line already, even without the ghostly heaven/hell jazz attached to neo-secular Imperial christianity? Ultimately, do you really need a reward in order to behave like an adult?If Life has taught me anything, it is that you may not get one for that particular reason. It appears as though some things are simply expected of us ...If my behavior is any indication, some of us clearly outperform others within such an arena. (as Stile may say - eeep !)I think, as humans, we have a certain responsibility and, of course, that responsibility is learning. What do you make of Isaiah 54:13 and John 6:45 ?This is one of the reasons it becomes easy to suspect that you may not be an authentic Red Letter Anointed One. I am not trying to be rude, as this is not meant as an insult. It is simply my personal interpretation, based on various observations thus far, while simultaneously considering various Red Letters.Consider ...A study of Matthew 23 reveals a depiction of Yeshua discussing what titles are appropriate to bestow upon our fellow human beings if things are to go well. Everybody is told that they are not to be called 'Pastor' or ‘Rabbi,' for we have one Teacher and we are all brothers. Instead, the opposite is done.With this in mind, is it really a coincidence that things continue to go to shit worldwide when even such a simple request cannot be met and is, even more so, plainly ignored? I mean, is He really asking that much from people on this one? This is only the tip of the iceberg too, and you know it, as we all do.Now, please understand that I do not necessarily liken you as to a wolf that is wearing a suit which has been tailored for a sheep. However, when you allow yourself to be classified and referenced in such a way that ignores an Anointed request, it may trip a red flag for those who actually associate a certain value to Red Print. Granted, those who decide to have the Good Book read to them may not notice or care so much about the details, considering, if they looked in 'em, they may find exactly what it is they are afraid of ...So, exactly what am I, as an admirer of the Red Letters of Yeshua HaMashiach, and a heathen that will be measured a portion of mercy accordingly, supposed to think when a gentlemen wanders in claiming to be a Teacher of the Anointing, while attempting to tease all the lil' kids into disclosing their academic credentials on his behalf?Correct me where I am wrong, please, because it just seems a lil' odd, is all; almost like a test of sorts. Shall I think of you as a teacher, in the fashion of Yeshua, or would it be wiser to think of you as a heathen, like myself? I'm just sayin', you can lose points for not signing your name on the SAT's ...Additionally, while we are on the subject, we are told not to call any man 'father'. This, I conclude, is referring to being called father as a title of religious classification, a title that seemingly attempts to derive a certain superiority, considering such a title is depicted as the name and essence given to the Father, by the Father's dear Anointed One.Now, that title also happens to be the basis for a certain hierarchy attached to, at least, one Universal Church of God which has consistently been attempting to usurp authority from Yeshua for a good many years. So, it should reasonably follow that we must question whether such entities, as corporations, are indeed Anointed, or not.Do you disagree with my math, so far? Ok.Perhaps we should all keep in mind, as well, that the Father has chosen the lowly to shame the wise, considering, after all, Yeshua's disciples were not required to present any certificates, as far as I know, whether one could have been received from an apologetic seminary or otherwise.I didn't make that rule. Thank the Father. I didn't say that - lol.Although, it might not be too far off base to suggest I think you may be as confused as the rest of us at times. Yes. That is exactly how it works supposedly. I'd suggest there is no maybe about it ... One can hope. Now that's what I like to hear RevCrossHugger!! Your claims are likely ol' musty subjectively interpreted doctrines - aka. Neo-Secular Imperialist Dogma. Hopefully you can prove me wrong there. Regardless, whether they are backed by scripture still remains to be seen, as you have yet to put forth your merchandise ...That said, while I find your pursuit is certainly worthwhile, whether you claim to be Aboriginal, Kosher or Red Letter seems not to matter much in the end of it all. lol - whoaa, easy big fella ... I said congrats, didn't I?I'm certainly looking forward to addressing other areas of your response and furthering communications in general.Yet, first I shall wait and see if the Good lord may continue to grant you the patience and discipline required ...And a few extra minutes to engage in dialogue.Again, One can, and does, hope.One LoveEdited by Bailey, : titleEdited by Bailey, : sp.

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I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker.
If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice'
They surely would not have condemned the innocent; why trust what I say when you can learn for yourself?
Think for yourself.Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary