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Author Topic:   Why is the Intelligent Designer so inept?
traderdrew
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Message 319 of 352 (509210)
05-19-2009 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 318 by Theodoric
05-19-2009 11:53 AM


Re: Look Who's Grasping at Straws
Traderdrew is obviously not an IDer. Is anyone?
I will ignore your little shots at me and correct you on something. Creationists believe in a earth that was created thousands of years ago. Creationists also don't believe in evolution or they believe in a very limited amount of evolution such as adaptive radiation. I do not cling to this belief system.

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traderdrew
Member (Idle past 5184 days)
Posts: 379
From: Palm Beach, Florida
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Message 337 of 352 (509418)
05-21-2009 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 323 by Blue Jay
05-19-2009 2:12 PM


Re: On the Topic
But, would you make something perfect if imperfection could work well enough to accomplish whatever it is that you intended it to accomplish? Economically, it doesn't make sense.
I think it makes sense. I get the impression that everyone who wants to debate me doesn't want to give this idea the benefit of the doubt. I can see why people in the business world would want more perfection. Why should I keep debating these issues other than to learn about them? I could but I really don't have the time right now to debate the rest of you anyway. I would rather allocate it into learning and understanding the real issues such as understanding why eyes were designed (or evolved) the way they were, rather than taking the explanations of atheists (or even proponents of I.D.) as gold.
I can't prove this but it is possible the verted retina of the vertebrate eye does a much better job in protecting it from radiation damage. Since many of those invertebrates live underwater, salt water tends to filter out radiation at the surface.
I think you can pass judgment either way if your level of knowledge isn't up to the level needed to give the subject matter a fair judgment. It depends on how you wish to look at it either way based on whether you are an atheist or a theist. I believe this is rational but, it is a road many people don't wish to travel on.

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traderdrew
Member (Idle past 5184 days)
Posts: 379
From: Palm Beach, Florida
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Message 341 of 352 (509552)
05-22-2009 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 340 by Blue Jay
05-21-2009 2:18 PM


Re: On the Topic
But, would you make something perfect if imperfection could work well enough to accomplish whatever it is that you intended it to accomplish? Economically, it doesn't make sense.
I repeated your quote, if you can prove to me that my point doesn't economically make sense, I would define that as a blow to my belief system.
I'm not saying goodbye, I am taking a hiatus. Believe it or not, I don't have a home computer right now. It has a hardware problem for some time and I have been posting from a local library. The debates get a little bit discouraging because sometimes I feel like I am not in an actual debate but I feel more like I am in an argument with the characters from the cartoon series South Park. I'm a part of this series too. I go off on various tangents with these twists of humor.

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traderdrew
Member (Idle past 5184 days)
Posts: 379
From: Palm Beach, Florida
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Message 342 of 352 (509553)
05-22-2009 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 339 by NosyNed
05-21-2009 1:36 PM


Re: Explaning Designs
You should note that evolutionary biology has an explanation for the various oddities of "design" that are being discussed. You should then note that when you make up explanations they run into problems immediately.
Do they really? When I have more time you and I are going to have a debate on your forum.

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traderdrew
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Message 345 of 352 (510103)
05-27-2009 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 344 by Blue Jay
05-22-2009 3:59 PM


Re: Economics
It obviously has merit but, I am not sure how it would always apply to various methodologies of I.D.
Another reason why I really don't continue on with my debate here is, it obviously upsets some people and I don't want to invade their privacy. I don't find it necessary to prove myself right. But let me tell you some of your atheists something. Be prepared to rethink your belief systems. I know things you don't know about.

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