Buzsaw Biblical Universe Origin Hypothesis vs Singularity Universe Origin Theory

Hi Rrhain, I have never known of a Christian refering to themselves as an Xian.X Does not = Christ.
Therefore Xians does not = Christians.The word ‘ appears 3 times in the Bible. Twice in singular form and once in plural.In Acts ll:26 they were called Christians first at Antioch. This was a demeaning name making fun of the followers saying they were little christos.In Acts 26:8 King Agripa told Paul almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.I Peter 4:16 Peter says if a man suffer as a Christian let him not be ashamed.These are the only uses of the word ‘ (Christian) in the Bible.Besides there is no such thing as a Christian alive today.
I know a lot of good people today but I know no Christian.
Christian = A person living a life like Christ. That is a perfect sinless life. No one measures up to that. Anybody that says he is, is a liar and the truth is not in him.Historically followers of Christ have been referred to as Christians since the second century.There are a lot of people who call themselves Christians.I do not claim to be a Christian. I do claim to be a born again child of the King, washed in the blood of the lamb, saved for eternity by the price that Christ paid for my pardon. The Greek letter C = Ch in english.That would be equal to Chian, not Christian. Putting an X in the place of Christ is only getting Christ out of the way as there is no room for him.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Rrhain, Here
in Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary I find:
Main Entry: in·nu·mer·a·ble
Date: 14th century
: too many to be numberedNow if you think the task is possible have at it.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Rrhain, The universe did not exist at T=0.The universe is at T=10^-43.The universe does not exist and one Planck time later it does sounds like magic to me. It had to appear from somewhere or did it.Come from an absence of anything.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Rrhain, I need chapter and verse in the Bible as I can't find where the Bible says it is big. Yes some supernovas explode and make new stars.Yes until a star goes out expends all its energy it shines.Science says that in time a white dwarf will become a black dwarf when there is an absence of light. It will be dark forever. I said before satellite TV it would be impossible for the world to see the bodies of two men lying in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days.The Bible gives a direct prophesy that it will happen. First I said they claim.Strife in the Middle East is caused because one brother stole the birthright of the older brother. It will continue until Jesus comes back and sets up His kingdom on earth.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hello, ICANT. All the knowledgeable, smart people have failed to make you understand what a singularity is and where it comes from, so I will make one last attempt, from my cosmological dumbness, to explain it in a simple way."Singularity" means "current math doesn't work." Let's say, for instance, that we are cavemen, and we just figured out how to do addition. This model worked great for determining the number of rabbits each hunter in our tribe caught during the day. If Ug caught one rabbit in the morning, the next rabbit he caught would make his total number of rabbits two.However, when the bully, Grog, took away one of Ug's rabbits, our addition model failed to predict the number of rabbits Ug would have afterward. Try as we might, we could not find a situation under which our addition model would allow the number of rabbits to decrease. Since we did not know how to do subtraction, we were unsuccessful at explaining the phenomenon to Ug. We had to throw our hands up in the air and say, "Sorry, Ug: our model doesn't explain this."So, as soon as Ug starts losing rabbits, our addition model reaches a singularity: it can no longer predict the number of rabbits Ug will have. Essentially, the inability of a certain model to explain a phenomenon is called a "singularity."BB reaches a singularity beyond T=10^-43. This means, BB theory cannot explain anything that happened before T=10^-43. In like manner, evolutionary theory reaches a singularity before the point where the first organism arose (however, unlike BB theory, ToE scientists haven't actually established when we reach that point). Until there is life, ToE doesn't explain what's happening.So, roughly speaking, "singularity" = "inability for a theory to explain a phenomenon." Got it?Edited by Bluejay, : Added the greeting.

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I'm Thylacosmilus.Darwin loves you.

You've been told this so many times now I don't know why we even bother. the Big Bang model does not, in any way suggest that the Universe suddenly appeared "from an asence of anything." There is no point in time at which the Unvierse does not exist."Unknown" != "nonexistent"We don't have enough data to make statements regarding the state of the Universe in Planck time. That does not mean there is an "absence of anything" at any point in time, including between T=0 and T=10^-43.How many threads have to be filled with your ignornace of physics, ICANT? The only one insisting on this strawman of the Big Bang is you, after you've been shown you are wrong more times than I have patience to count. You do not understand the Big Bang model enough to make any statement of accuracy regarding the model, even on the most basic layman's terms.

Hi Rrhain, As I understand it inflation, 'super expansion', lasted a very short time.Inflation is a hypothetical field. It is a fudge factor to account for some predictions of the Big Bang that would falsify the Big Bang if inflation was not inserted. If the inflationary epoch really took place, it could cure the problems of Horizon, Flatness, and MonopoleExpansion is the growing of space between the objects in the universe. Although I can't figure out how some space can grow and other space can't grow. Rrhain, I am a Bible thumper.Nevertheless. There are several ideas of what red-shift is and what causes it. To me and my theory it makes no difference. If it is caused by expansion that is OK as God has stretched out the heavens to His satisfaction. Bible thumper version. Dark energy is a hypothetical form of energy.It seems like expansion is increasing and we need something to explain how that could happen. I never switch the goal posts. The goal posts are set at true knowledge.Now as far as this topic I thought it was about origin. But I am willing to talk about the hypothetical Inflation field, or Expansion. There are many things that are observed, and can be duplicated. Unless our observation is tainted we can know many things.But when you have to add assumptions to get things to match what you observe that is not knowledge. That is guessing that what you believe is the best answer.Concerning the origin Hawking said: "Cosmology can not predict anything about the universe unless it makes some assumption about the initial conditions."Now if you make the right assumptions you get the right answer.If you make the wrong assumptions you get a mess. No I am trying to point out that the assumptions are unfalsifiable.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi jay, Thanks for the beautiful, insightful explanation but sorry I don't get it. Here you can find Hawking's definition of singularity. Is Hawking wrong?Hawking even describes how a singularity is formed when gravity curves spacetime.Now if you want to say it is a point in a math equation that the math breaks down and can tell us noting that is OK with me.That tells me there is nothing at T=0.God Bless.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Rahvin, So time does not exist at T=0.No time = No universe.Rahvin the Big Bang with a singularity did not happen.cavediver skips the singularity and goes to imaginary time.Why do you think Hawking proposed his hypothesis of imaginary time and no boundary? You probably right that is the reason I quote Hawking and http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/index.html quite often among many others. They seem to know what they are talking about.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

For some inexplicable and unfalsifiable reason, my computer is unwilling to open the PDF file you provided, so I have not been able to read it (reading it probably wouldn't help my comprehension all that much, anyway, though). If he is, I'm not the one who could prove it. I'm only explaining it as I've understood it from Son Goku and Cavediver and company. My understanding is that there are many different types of things called "singularities." I've heard of spacetime singularities (that sounds like that's what Hawking is talking about), which result from curvatures of spacetime and the like, but I've never heard it explained that a spacetime singularity is the condition of the universe at T=0. I've only heard it described as mathematicals giving funky answers, e.g. infinite mass at a single point, which prevents us from using our models to get accurate answers. Well, it shouldn't. What it should tell you is that there isn't a way for us to know what's there, because the math gives weird answers.

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I'm Thylacosmilus.Darwin loves you.

T=0 is a coordinate of time. You can't very well identify a coordinate of a dimension that doesn't exist.On a 2-dimesional graph, at X=0, does the X dimension not exist? It has to - X=0 is a coordinate of the X dimension.So we'll add basic graphs to the list of things you don't understand. You just love to make bare assersions regarding things you don't understand. This very sentence once again proves you don't know what the word "singularity" means.I'd say that we've failed to explain this to you, but after so many attempts from so many people in so many threads from so many different angles, I have to say that the only common denominator is you. Excuse me? I don't recall cavediver talking much about imaginary time. i recall you doing that, as if you follow along with Hawking's hypotheses. My understanding of physics is far beneath Hawking's level. I have a decent layman's grasp, just enough to know that you couldn't tell the actual Big Bang model from a hole int he ground. My level of knowledge is insufficient to delve into Hawking's additional hypotheses...which, you'll note, are not actually part of the Big Bang model. ...except that you don't know what they are talking about, and so you use their words in inappropriate ways that wind up making no sense or having no relevance to the topic.Let me put it this way: if a child continually insists that 2+2=3, after being told that he's wrong, after being shown that he's wrong in multiple different analogies, and after having a mathematician come in and tell him he doesn't comprehend basic math and that he's wrong...does this mean that the child is right?Becasue that's what happens with you. I'm done talking about cosmology with you, ICANT. From now on, I'll just post the word "Wrong" under each false statement you make.

Hi jay, The problem is it gives no answer.I checked the link and it works. I have the latest adobe.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

In mathematics, "no answer" is weird. Generally it means either "undefined" or "infinite."I think that's the general point.And, the PDF problem is just a settings issue on my bug-ridden, new computer. It has come up many times.But, I don't think we should expend another thread talking about this.

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I'm Thylacosmilus.Darwin loves you.

Hi Rahvin, He doesn't talk about it. Here
He just inserts it and goes on with the Hartle Hawking hypothesis. You right but Hawking says it is: Here you can find Hawking's definition of singularity. Then you won't expect me to answer your posts.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Are you afraid to answer the question or are you unable to answer the question?