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iceage 
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Message 18 of 65 (434493)
11-16-2007 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by purpledawn
11-15-2007 6:48 PM


Re: Mustard Seed Faith
Purpledawn writes:
The verse implies that if one is unable to accomplish the task as the disciples were unable to, then the person doesn't have enough faith. IOW, no matter how much faith one claims or feels they have, the proof is in the actions. If they can't do it, then they don't have faith the size of a mustard seed.
This makes no sense at all. Since no one has ever restored a missing limb or replace a missing eye, let alone moved a mountain, then no human can ever have the faith the size of a mustard seed so why even bring the subject up - what was the intent? This is a completely useless passage.
Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

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iceage 
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Message 19 of 65 (434496)
11-16-2007 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by ICANT
11-15-2007 1:55 PM


Re: Re-Faith of a grain of mustard seed
ICANT writes:
Much is made of faith and belief in Christianity
Sure all memes of invisible beings require that....
ICANT writes:
Jesus said if I had that much faith I could do all the things you think I am supposed to be able to do. But the problem is that I do not even have enough faith to save me from eternal damnation. Therefore I have to depend on the Faith of Jesus Christ Himself that He has in the promise of His Father to save me if I trust in Jesus to save me from my sins.
Your theology is on the same level as chain-letter psychology. Religion and Chain Letters
ICANT writes:
sidelined, you are absolutely correct in assuming that I should be able to heal the lame, raise the dead
But you cannot so....
ICANT writes:
will let you in on a little secret, God will never give you the sign that you demand in order for you to believe in Him.
Why not? Why did Jesus do miracles when here on earth? Why did God supposedly "tear" the curtain in the temple? Why supposedly did God reverse the sun for sign to some ailing king? A colossal cosmological intervention for a single individual but nothing for the world in general.... Does this sound congruent.
A curious fact is that the lack of desire of your God to "give you the sign" is remarkable like other invisible Gods (Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Allah, etc.)

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iceage 
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Message 30 of 65 (434597)
11-16-2007 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by ICANT
11-16-2007 4:34 AM


Re: Re-Faith of a grain of mustard seed
ICANT writes:
I do not need nor do I desire a sign.
You guys are the ones wanting a sign.
Wanting a sign is a bit of a red herring concerning this topic.
The topic says very simply that if you have faith you can perform miracles.
From putting together your various statements you seem to be saying that Jesus said "if you have faith you can perform miracles however miracles are a sign and God doesn't want to give a sign so no miracles." Huh?
I hesitate to reiterate and not drag this topic off course but on the topic of signs why did Jesus perform miracles? Why did God reverse the movement of the Sun?

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iceage 
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Message 60 of 65 (437104)
11-28-2007 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by ICANT
11-17-2007 11:48 PM


Re: Re-MUSTARD SEED
phat writes:
Since the mustard seed has never deviated from the job assigned to it, the mustard seed has perfect faith. In that it does everything in just the way God planned for it too. It has never disobeyed God.
It has always been perfect every since God created it.
I always appreciate a fresh and out-of-box look at things. And I hate to criticize as not to discourage such thinking. However.... This is I believe a corruption of the intent of the passage. Mustard seeds don't have faith they are programmed to do what they do. If this is your view then water molecules also have "perfect faith" as does a rock. You pick up a rock and let go and it obeys the law of gravity just like the creator "planned for it to" it never disobeys.
Don't you think a mustard seed was selected for this parable due to its very small size?
Further as sidelined commented please explain how one can have "No Doubt what so ever yet still not have any faith. Creative and non-standard use of definitions?

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