Did Jesus Lie?

This is an excellent question, and one I ask myself all the time. I struggle also to understand it. I will share with you what I have figured out so far, although it may not answer your question, or prove you wrong. I am not sure this is what was meant, or how faith works. Remember, you are dealing with faith here, and very broad topic in itself.
Read Hebrews 11 on the triumphs of faith.Remember what Jesus told the woman who reached out and touched His robe and was healed? It was your faith that healed you.You must believe by faith that the mountain will move. Not seeing the mountain move will give you faith.The Wesley notes say this about the phrase mountain moving:
To remove mountains was a proverbial phrase among the Jews, and is still retained in their writings, to express a thing which is very difficult, and to appearance impossible.I am not trying to cop out of the physical mountain moving thing, but I have to ask myself about it, as what I have seen in my life by faith, has been the proverbial mountain moving several times in my life. Like I said, by faith, I have moved spiritual mountains, ones that I would have never seen move without God, and faith.But even after saying all that, I still ask myself the same question, why isn't there anyone here on earth that can move a mountain, and have that kind of faith?BTW, I have stood at the base of the mountain, and tried to move it, I have stood by waters edge, and tried to part it. Each time I do this, my feeling from God is that it is not necessary, will prove nothing, so it won't happen at this moment. Then you wouldn't require faith.God came to me in a most powerful way, andI asked my wife, who has a very strong faith about moving the mountain, and her reply was, "I see no need to move the mountain. If I move the mountain for someone so that they could believe, they still wouldn't believe." Leaders of a "Christian Nation" do not have anymore faith than you or I. They are only called to lead, or are born with the gift and charisma to lead. No one on this earth will make you believe. You have to do it yourself, or God will help you along.edit* I also think the main part of this verse is to point out their unbelief, not to point out moving the mountain.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

Well first off, I was not raised with religion, and as a matter of fact, I am not very found of religion, but the word religion is inescapable once you believe in Jesus/God.I am really not sure what you mean by:
"yet here you are using the negative effect to claim that the non-event somehow means that the effect is somehow greater than before which is clearly not reasonable."I don't see how that fits what I was explaining to you. Plus I also offered up more than one explanation, since I am not totally sure myself. If I am not sure myself, then how can it be a wiggle tactic?It just seems to me, that you are so dead set on your opinion, that you will actually have to see a mountain move to have faith. All I am saying, is that is not how faith works, and that IS logical.Jesus was teaching His disciples that their faith was not strong enough. That verse is connected to many others explaining faith. You get faith by believing, fasting and praying. Not moving mountains.

That was put much better. I do not claim his words, according to the bible to be true, that would be foolish.What I claim is that I feel what I believe to be the Holy Spirit, and that much of what is said in the bible about it, seems to me, to be true.This is not science you know.The explanations I offered you, was said, because I kind of agree with you, and that verse is hard to swallow. But I do not let it get in the way of me believing in God. I keep an open mind. I know I personally do not have enough faith to move a literal mountain, but I have moved spiritual mountains, which I would not have been able to move before.peace.

No, that's not what I said. While it is possible that the translation of the words, or the words themselves are not understood correctly, that it would not be impossible for anything to happen if Jesus is the true Son of the creator of the universe.As was pointed out in the wesley notes, that the term "moving a mountain" was a common term in the day, and meant to be able to do something that is extremely difficult. It's a coin phrase. It should probably not be taken literally.To look at the phrase, or verse, and not include the preceding verse, would be to take things out of context. The disciples came to
Him, and asked Him a specific question. He was explaining to the disciples why they could not remove the demon from the boy. Not teaching them how to move mountains. Some of the things accomplished by the disciples later, can be equated with moving a mountain. We can move mountains these days (with the right equipment), we also can replace severed limbs, and a day will come where we might be able to grow new limbs for people. The term "moving a mountain" should be relative to the time you live in, if anything.But I could also be completely wrong, and it may be possible to move a mountain with faith, by just asking ti to move, and it is possible that no one on earth has enough faith to do that.You are not going to prove anything by discussing this verse, only pointing out our/your level of faith, which is exactly what Jesus was doing. Congrats, you are Jesus like.

This seems like a contradictory statement to me. "faith that it can be done" and "do the impossible yourself" seem as two different things.First off, I want to say, I do not believe anything is done "by yourself" when it comes to the miraculous.The " faith that it can be done" " bu God" seems more plausible to me, and more in tune to what I have experienced. The only thing I could ever do is be an obedient servant, and listen for the Lord's voice on things (which I don't always do). That statement to me, proves why faith is always relative, and why the bible is best left subjective. One man's mustard seed, is another man's tree. This is the point of the OP, and what Jesus said. I agree with that. That depends entirely on who you talk too, and if you are listening to the televangelists or not.Christian faith, is not much more different than everyday life. That's my belief. IMO we are all always talking to God in one way or another. atheists will claim that you are talking to yourself. But why bother? I do not know what a Christian card is, nor do I want to know. I want to be normal, like you. Anyone who claims something, that they do not believe in themselves, will be falsified. Hence the Spirit of truth, and the Holy Spirit that Jesus promised as a guide in our lives. You seem gifted in that regard. That really doesn't explain much to me. You say wiggle, I say relative. If we are not going to be honest with each other, especially me, then it's a waste of time.Then you claim wiggle on two other statements. I guess it means something to you then.