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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes: You boys need to keep in mind that we older people are closer to history than you are. Closer doesn't necessarily give you a better view. You can't see the forest for the trees, as they say.
They explain everything from post-war pop fashion to roots of twentieth-century social rebellion. Ah, but roots have roots and those roots have roots and those roots have roots.... Don't jump into the middle of history and pretend that what you remember is the beginning of all. ------------- As for Google, a wider variety of information should make us more selective, but does it? When we eat at a restuarant with forty items on the menu, we don't just pick the first one. The Google buffet might have forty million items, so it isn't practical to consider them all - but we should still make an effort to sample more than the specials that Google recommends. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes: The closer you are to the source the more accurate the reporting. As I said, The Source™ - of "juvenile delinquency", for example - goes back millennia, not decades. Effectively, you're no closer to the source than anybody else. Here's what I Googled:
quote: quote: “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes: Wikipedia reminds me of the "Human Clock" at a folk-rock festival.... Very good. You might not be completely beyond hope after all.
...or maybe carboard clocks and digital librarians are nothing more than fancified tools that have always emerged in the course of human history. Exactly. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes: You mean to tell me computers don't know how to play chess? A computer doesn't know how to play chess any more than a Model A knows how to get to Paris. They just accept inputs and follow instructions. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes: Every human child has to be programmed for the desired output. No. A human programming another human makes no more sense than a Model A driving another model A. The human psyche is a complex combination of inputs from a vast number of sources. The most you could hope for is to influence the child in the general direction of the "desired output".
Ay, Canuckistanian? That's "Eh, Canuck?" “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes: What about a computer programming another computer. Happens all the time.
What about a computer programming a human? Can't happen because humans aren't programable.
Humans can teach humans math, humans can teach computers math, computers can teach computers math, and computers can teach humans math. We have to be programmed (or taught) at one time or another. Teaching is not programming. Programming is strictly a one-way street - human/machine, master/slave, driver/vehicle. Teaching is two-way. Teachers have to learn before they can teach. Teachers learn by teaching.
But maybe things are different up there in the wastelands of Canuckistan. It's windy today (and Google didn't program me to say that). “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes: ... when a kid recites his multiplication tables he is being programmed to do mathematics. Learning the multiplication tables is just storage - assignment to an array. Learning how to do mathematics is another thing entirely - learning how to apply one set of data (multiplication table) to another set of data (problem) to come up with a third set of data (solution).
And forget your two-way streets, unless you're willing to admit that computer programming is also iterational. Computer operation is iterational. Computer programming isn't. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
crashfrog writes: Iterative programming was one of the earliest concepts we studied in Comp Sci I, right after recursion. Isn't your basic "for" loop an example of iterative programming? My terminology is probably off. Certainly, the machine executes instructions iteratively and programs often perform iterations. I understood (or possibly misunderstood) Hoot Mon to suggest that the act of writing programs is iterative. When I talk about "programming a computer", I mean writing the programs, not just loading them and executing them. By analogy, "programming a child" would involve devising a particular set of instructions that the child would always follow to get the desired output. While it's possible to produce a kind of "Pavlov" response to certain inputs, I'd hardly call that programming. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
crashfrog writes: I think you could make an argument that writing a program was frequently iterative; generally you block out the general structure of a program, using placeholders for functions, then going back and filling in the blanks, then going back and debugging (repeat this last about 20 times), etc. That isn't really iteration though, is it? It isn't doing the same thing over and over again. It's doing different things in the same place.
... I'm just trying to arrive at a sense of what you're saying. The whole "iteration" thing is fairly irrelevant, I think. My point was more that a programmer gives instructions which the computer follows to the letter. A teacher, on the other hand, passes on information (and information on how to deal with information) - not a prescribed, stepwise process. A computer can only do exactly what it's told. Garbage in, garbage out. But if a teacher does a good job, the student will say, "Hey, wait a minute. This is garbage." (I appreciate the nit-picking. It made more sense the first time I said it - which is probably not a good sign. ) “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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