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Spektical
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Message 160 of 185 (431035)
10-28-2007 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Brian
10-25-2007 4:28 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
You know what seems really odd to me is that no matter how ridiculous the christian faith is, the jewish faith is 10 times more ridiculous.
Considering the jewish faith relies on the 1st 5 books of the bible 'Torah'.
I have one question? Why do you need to believe in God/Yahweh/Allah/Jesus?

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Spektical
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Message 163 of 185 (431060)
10-29-2007 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Dr Adequate
10-28-2007 11:10 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
Pardon me, I should have said 100 times more ridiculous. The explanation is this: Christianity is a SINGLE concept, a SINGLE story. The First 5 books contain the strangest and most paradoxical STORIES ever, examples: God&Angels, God&Lucifer&Satan, Adam&Eve, Cain&Abel, Abraham&Isaac, Joseph&Egypt, Moses&the burning bush and it goes on. These are very horrific and irrational stories, which I would love to dissect, but that is not the point. My point is (and Dr. Adequate you kind of help bring it to light) as time goes on and humanity advances, both socially and mentally, we see that the stories become more focused and singular as opposed to plural.
To me its all about the human identity and what it means to us. Or self realization. The stories are mere tools and nothing more. We should not attach such fervor, emotion, or awe to them. We should instead cherish them as our history and keep our minds open to what is to come.

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Spektical
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Message 165 of 185 (431139)
10-29-2007 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Brian
10-29-2007 2:49 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
If you don't believe in any of them then the question doesn't apply to. But you could answer it if you wanted to.
Judiasm is sillier because it relies on practices and notions that are even more ancient than christianity. I'm not sure what your beliefs are, if you have any, but knowing that these stories were created in order to help the people of the time understand and cope with their surroundings, its surprising to see you disagree....unless of course u took offence to my comment.

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Spektical
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Message 167 of 185 (431143)
10-29-2007 3:10 PM
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10-29-2007 3:08 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
I'm not comparing...if you read my previous posts you would know I was talking about the progression of myth.

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Message 170 of 185 (431148)
10-29-2007 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Brian
10-29-2007 3:15 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
Considering the population of christians is much larger than the jewish one, its no surprise you meet more christians who have a delusional perspective as opposed to jews. However all you have to do is go to Isreal and your experience will change.
Since you adore the jewish bible, its only reasonable to assume that you are either a believer in judiasm or you have a particular bias towards christians.

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Message 172 of 185 (431151)
10-29-2007 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by iceage
10-29-2007 3:16 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
Right like blood atonement for sins. A pretty common ancient human practice - even amongst civilizations that did not have contact with one another.
It is interesting how Christianity innovates or modernizes this privative notion. However, now you are left with this very strange theology of a god sacrificing himself to himself to atone for the sins of his own faulty creation.... hmmmm
Agreed. But this brings me back to the original point that these mythologies evolved through time, and it seems that when the stories are heard they are somehow revised to suit their contemporary zeitgeist and redistributed back to the masses.
One very interesting bit of info I discovered recently that I didn't know before was that the gospels were written AFTER the letters of Paul. Is this true? and if it is, what do christians think about this?
Edited by Spektical, : No reason given.

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Message 173 of 185 (431152)
10-29-2007 3:34 PM
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10-29-2007 3:24 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
If you're going to talk about "progrssion of myth", you should be able to do it without descending into silliness.
but why not ?

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Spektical
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Message 177 of 185 (431156)
10-29-2007 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by ringo
10-29-2007 3:47 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
My point still stands....as insane as you might think it is, that is ONE story.
The story of abraham and Isaac is extremely silly....a man hears a voice that tells him to sacrifice his own son????!!!??
Or the story of sodom and gammorah???!!!??
The creation of the angels and the first rebellion????!!!??
The conclusion is that all Judieo-christian stories are silly and ridiculous. However as you read forward through the bible, they seem to start focusing on one particular theme.
Christians have contrived their belief system upon complete stupidity, and I agree with you that the story is f'd up. Maybe the christian belief is history's messenger telling us that these stories are paradoxical and can only be read from a historical context. Meaning they are only meant to give us an insight into how the human mind worked BACK THEN.....or this just me stating the obvious?

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Message 178 of 185 (431157)
10-29-2007 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Brian
10-29-2007 3:52 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
If only Christians could see things as clearly
I say the same things for jews and muslims.

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Spektical
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Message 180 of 185 (431746)
11-01-2007 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Brian
10-29-2007 4:25 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
First what are the subplots of christianity?
My point STILL stands....progression towards a more CENTRAL theme is the truth when it comes to religions/cults. This is simply due to the fact that knowledge is ACCUMULATED with time.

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