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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 36 of 185 (429446)
10-19-2007 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Hyroglyphx
10-19-2007 10:11 PM


Re: Unmitigated b.s.
But now you have Arach, as well as a few others who are not in any sense of the word Christian
you know. you make a great post and then you go and say something like that.
oh well. baby steps, i guess.

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Message 49 of 185 (429599)
10-20-2007 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Spektical
10-20-2007 10:35 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
What the hell kind of divine soap opera is this? To me God seems to be a either very irresponsible being or a drama queen...I tend to go for the latter since he's Omnipresent Omniscient etc.
i think it's a misunderstanding of any of the presented ideas of god.
So my point is this. What is more highly believable? A story about an insignificant man who was psychologically distraught regarding his own faith and decided to express to humanity that god is fake, grew a cult of followers and was crucified because he went too far? Or that Jesus was in fact the son of 'God' who was born of a Virgin, and was in fact God himself?
why are these the only options?
(btw the word virgin is contested in the bible as a possible misinterpretation)
old hat. unimpressed.
Maybe the reasons the Jews had Jesus killed was not blasphemy but upon realizing he was truly God, decided to avenge all the bullshit they went through in the old Testament....lol!
the only source that suggests that the jews had him killed is the bible. why do you suddenly buy this part?
This is why Zeitgeist is more important to me than the non-sense spewed by any believers. Whether it is completely accurate or not doesn't matter to me. It invoked all the old questions I had about my beliefs when I used to believe, and it makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. So since watching it I have been researching everything I could get my hands on to try to understand the true mystery of our existence and the metaphysics behind it.
so, you have an irrational psychological attachment to the presentation of your original doubts in this "film"?
look. it's great that you're asking questions, but the truth is that people have been asking the same questions forever. long before this film and long after and separate from it. if you don't believe me, here's an excerpt from the code of laws from the massachusetts bay colony in the us (written 1628)
3. If any person within this Jurisdiction whether Christian or Pagan shall wittingly and willingly presume to BLASPHEME the holy Name of God, Father, Son or Holy-Ghost, with direct, expresse, presumptuous, or high-handed blasphemy, either by wilfull or obstinate denying the true God, or his Creation, or Government of the world: or shall curse God in like manner, or reproach the holy Religion of God as if it were but a politick device to keep ignorant men in awe; or shal utter any other kinde of Blasphemy of the like nature & degree they shall be put to death. Levit. 24, 15. 16.
it's not like they're hard questions to ask. all you have to do is read the book, speak a few extra languages, or have access to a good concordance, and be competent enough to observe contradictions, evil acts, random confusing crap, and scientific falsehoods.
i was raised in a presbyterian family. i became a christian when i was three. i have been asking these questions since i can remember. of course, you'll think i'm a moron because i still identify as a christian, but i don't find faith and these questions mutually exclusive. i am most definitely no longer a presbyterian, as i am now quite theologically distant from them. but. whatever. i have better things to do than fret over whether you think i'm an idiot.
it just really seems that you have traded in one attachment for another. you're really overly into this film and old, dead white guys.
the thing is, religion isn't just a throw-away left-over from our superstitious past. by reading religious texts, we can understand a lot about ourselves and humanity... the best and worst of it. you can't really move past superstition until you understand it and why and how it works. some people try and then they become raging fundamentalists about whatever thing they try to pick up instead. it's a terrible shame.
believe it or not, all religious people aren't brainwashed inbred morons. like i said before, sit back for a bit and meet the people on here and see who they are and what they believe and why and how. you will be pleasantly surprised. unfortunately, we all sometimes get a bit heavy handed and go nuts all over people, but that's the issue with the internet. in fact, somewhere there's a thread in which we all own up to our labels. i looked for it, but no luck. maybe someone else will find it for you.

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Message 69 of 185 (429644)
10-21-2007 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Spektical
10-21-2007 1:43 AM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
thomas is my favorite. i think you're reading it wrong. consider it this way.
everyone told thomas that they'd seen jesus alive. he didn't buy it. he wanted to see and touch with his own senses. he demanded this of his friends, but didn't ask jesus himself. but jesus provided the proof thomas required without even being asked. he wasn't offended by thomas' need, and he didn't belittle him (unlike many modern christians). he simply gave what thomas needed to help him believe.

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Message 78 of 185 (429684)
10-21-2007 10:47 AM
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10-21-2007 2:05 AM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
pft. all of his disciples have seen him. that was their job. even paul saw him. what, are they supposed to be his first witnesses and not see him?

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Message 88 of 185 (429722)
10-21-2007 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by crashfrog
10-21-2007 12:33 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
if you insist on being cynical and assholish, everyone around you will seem cynical and assholish. how would his witnessing disciples spread the word without seeing him?

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Message 94 of 185 (429731)
10-21-2007 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by crashfrog
10-21-2007 2:03 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
um. thomas was a disciple, dear. he was supposed to see him eventually, he just reserved his belief until he did.

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Message 101 of 185 (429743)
10-21-2007 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Spektical
10-21-2007 3:54 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
use the square brackets around the following.
qs to open
/qs to close
it makes the following
What is Thomas' purpose in reserving his belief?
because he didn't trust his friends? why would you demand proof for something?

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Message 102 of 185 (429744)
10-21-2007 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by crashfrog
10-21-2007 4:07 PM


Re: JC Did Not Exist!
"Blessed are those who have not seen, and yet believe."
congratulations. it's there, i've read it. just because you bless someone doesn't mean you curse everyone else.
And Jesus burned his ass for it, in front of all his buddies.
fine.

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