Kingdom on Earth (Re: Barack Obama comments)

Suppose that Obama does become President. If it turns out that he doesn't have a Muslim agenda, will you finally realize that you are a complete nut and shut the hell up?

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In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

I have to admit it: Obama as Wahhabi Manchurian candidate is laugh-out-loud funny. If Buz really has gone over into full-blown conspiracy cuckou land, then I really don't want him to shut up.

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In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

Because every single one of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world know that Obama is a secret Muslim, and have managed to keep that a secret from everyone else?

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In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

Oh, sweet jesus! Don't get Buz started on his "Christianity is a religion of peace/Islam is a religion of violence" schtick. It's not even on topic.The "Obama is an Al-Qaeda plant" is partially on topic -- and far more entertaining besides. Let's stick to that.Either Obama is Muslim, or he's not. Either Obama is working for the World Wide Muslim Conspiracy or he is not. If he is Muslim or if he is an agent of the WWMC, then there should be actual evidence for this fact. Of course, people like Buz have trouble understanding the concept of evidence, but that, too, can be entertaining.

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In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

Well, that part I think is Satan making sure the end of the world is coming along right on schedule.

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In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

In the thread on vaccinations, Buz writes: Don't you wish that he'd apply this same skepticism to his anti-Muslim sources?

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In many respects, the Bible was the world's first Wikipedia article. -- Doug Brown (quoted by Carlin Romano in The Chronicle Review)

I'm trying to catch up on my reading, and I've just finished an interesting article from The Nation, the 12 November issue, entitled, "The New Right-Wing Smear Machine," by Christopher Hayes.The article concerns the use of internet email to mass broadcast rumors and made up stories about political candidates, usually rumors made up by Right Wingers about Democratic candidates. It uses examples designed to smear Kerry in the previous election and Clinton in the present one. I bring it up since the last few paragraphs talk about the Obama-is-a-secret-Muslim fiasco -- it was traced to a nut named Andy Martin.My apologies, Buz -- and here I thought you made this one up all by yourself!

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Progress in human affairs has come mainly through the bold readiness of human beings not to confine themselves to seeking piecemeal improvements in the way things are done, but to present fundamental challenges in the name of reason to the current way of doing things and to the avowed or hidden assumptions on which it rests. -- E. H. Carr

Well, good luck with that. To be honest, I can't recall off the top of my head of an example where I witnessed an American engaging in a well-reasoned discussion about any topic concerning sex.

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Progress in human affairs has come mainly through the bold readiness of human beings not to confine themselves to seeking piecemeal improvements in the way things are done, but to present fundamental challenges in the name of reason to the current way of doing things and to the avowed or hidden assumptions on which it rests. -- E. H. Carr

Heh. When I was in college, I had some acquaintances who were gay. Whenever we were in a group, I would often end up flirting with them without realizing it.

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Progress in human affairs has come mainly through the bold readiness of human beings not to confine themselves to seeking piecemeal improvements in the way things are done, but to present fundamental challenges in the name of reason to the current way of doing things and to the avowed or hidden assumptions on which it rests. -- E. H. Carr

And we also let kids participate in all sorts of activities even though they technically can't give informed consent.

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Progress in human affairs has come mainly through the bold readiness of human beings not to confine themselves to seeking piecemeal improvements in the way things are done, but to present fundamental challenges in the name of reason to the current way of doing things and to the avowed or hidden assumptions on which it rests. -- E. H. Carr

Hi, nator.One disagreement. Johnson was the last true liberal on your list. Not only was he a strong supporter for Civil Rights, even knowing that it would cost the Democrats in future elections (so at least one good thing did come out of Texas!), but until the Vietnam War derailed his Administration his other goal was to bring the New Deal to its logical conclusion -- not exactly European Social Democracy, but very liberal.But your main point seems valid.I will add, though, that Carter, although not a liberal, was the last President to care for people as more than an abstraction.

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Progress in human affairs has come mainly through the bold readiness of human beings not to confine themselves to seeking piecemeal improvements in the way things are done, but to present fundamental challenges in the name of reason to the current way of doing things and to the avowed or hidden assumptions on which it rests. -- E. H. Carr

Actually, both conservatives and liberals are to the right of me.

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Progress in human affairs has come mainly through the bold readiness of human beings not to confine themselves to seeking piecemeal improvements in the way things are done, but to present fundamental challenges in the name of reason to the current way of doing things and to the avowed or hidden assumptions on which it rests. -- E. H. Carr

Is it possible that you just don't know a damn thing about Islam? That would clear up a lot of mysteries here.Edited by Chiroptera, : Added last sentence.Edited by Chiroptera, : Saw another "mystery" in Buz's post. No kidding, this really is funny.

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If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe

As I pointed out earlier, it's even more likely that never attended a madrassa.

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If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe

I've been looking for where Silent H and I and others already looked at these verses in context -- we pretty much tore this one to pieces. But I couldn't the thread. Maybe someone else can dredge it up.On a lighter note, I found CanadianSteve's first appearance here. Ah, I have fond memories of that thread -- I see how far my argumentation skills have fallen since then.

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If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe