do Christians want their values enforced on everyone by law?

1. The issues you cite are issues at large and not limited to Christians. For example gay marriage may be banned in some totalitarian anit-Christian nations and are banned as I understand.2. All governments impose laws. In a democratic republic such as ours the people choose who gets into government position to impose laws. So when the electorate votes, regardless of ideology, the electorate at large decides who will impose laws. Gays likely will support their agendas and evangelicals theirs. Ultimately Christians perse impose no laws. Elected officials do that. We all work in the system to advance our ideological agendas.3. The majority way back in Jefferson's day in fact voted for this president who had church services in the halls of congress and decided that the marine band would be nice for the music in those services. Magin that. Nowadays the majority wouldn't think of such a thing.4. So madear, do the American thing that's been done for 200+ years. Get out, root for and vote for folks who impose laws you want imposed and who refrain from imposing others. I and my Biblicalist fellow citizens will do the same. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

LOL. When then does the alleged theocracy get the Bible back in government schools as it was for over a century before the secularists took over?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Why then did the authors/framers of the constitution have far more Christianity in government than is allowed by the more secularist electorate today.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Amending the Constitution is one huge task requiring extreme majority support. The they who must do the amending happens to be a whole lot of you secularists who would need evangelization of ideology via big time revival. No worries for you the way things are going. Your side certainly has the momentum.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

True, but what is so unfortunate as you put it? There never was a theocracy in America, even when church was in government and never can be under the Constitution. That secularist legislators and judge appointees eventually imposed laws forbidding Christian literature, et al in public school cirriculum upon the minority proved that. That's not unfortunate for you secularists. It's unfortunate for us who's priviledges are forbidden by imposition of the majority electorate. The system is working as it should with nobody but who the majority elects ultimately doing the imposing of laws on the people at large.That we, the minority campaign for and support implimentation of Biblical values poses no threat. If government got too religious for the wishes of the people in a democratic republic all the people need do is rally support for and get the desired change.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

I'll cite one of many so as not to lead off topic. (Embolding mine for emphasis) http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?R... - 57k -

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Did you miss this in that link? (Embolding mine for emphasis) Are you trying to argue that going from church in Congress attended by supporters of the Constitution utilizing the government's military band is not "far more Christianity in government" than is allowed in government today? Are we going to be reasonable here or am I going to have to ignore some unreasonable arguments so as not to become embroiled in more than I can handle timewise?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

You people are posting some unreasonable strawmen and I'm not going to needlessly sit here and address it all.I have shown where what is forbidden as mandated/imposed by law is much of what was allowed by law in the days of the framers of the Constitution. I'm not arguing for more or less. My point is the OP and thread title implication that Christians are imposing religion and that theocratic government is threatened upon the nation is false in that Christians perse do not impose laws. We, like secularists, gays, et al all work to elect lawmakers who make the laws most desireable to us.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Hey, my friend, there's much more out there. If you can't accept this significant example, nothing more will help you. Do a google on the subject if you want more. I'm not into another thread at this time. One thread at a time is about all I have time for in active participation.Btw, the link you got your info from was not emboldened so if you missed the info in it it was because you only wanted to read what suited your argument.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Neither is Christianity. It consists of many individual groups as do secularists and gays. I don't believe I said secularism imposes itself on religion. I said secularists work towards their interests as do Christians to have imposed laws they support passed by government.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Well then, my friend, don't complain when we Christians get our preachers preaching at regular church services in Congress and use the military bands to do the music. Urge your congressman to throw in some $$ as well to pay the preacher and buy choir robes.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Your question is well taken and makes a good point since the term Christianity can refer to some very secularist thinking folks. You might want to make that point for those who've lumped all Christians as wanting theocracy as well. My point was meant to convey that most of us want don't want a theocracy. That the more secularist folks work for different laws in government than the more non secularist ones is a given. The implications in this thread made that we less secularist Christians want a theocracy is false in that it's government that imposes laws and we all work to promote laws more suited to our ideology.