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Author Topic:   do Christians want their values enforced on everyone by law?
Rahvin
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Message 10 of 68 (361516)
11-04-2006 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Hyroglyphx
11-04-2006 12:15 PM


Re: Theocracy :vs: Democracy
You cannot force people to agree with the tenets of God. It just doesn't work that way. And if God doesn't try doing that, why should we? However, we are supposed to preach His Name everywhere go and to speak about His unfailing love and eternal law.
We are allowed to vote against gay marriage, especially when the very definition of marriage is required of a man and a woman.
This is absurd. In one sentence you say that Christians cannot force their beliefs on others, and then in the next paragraph you say that Chriastians can prevent homosexuals from marrying? Here's a clue: using your faiths teachings to restric another's lifestyle through law IS Theocratic! Your point would be valid IF allowing gay marriage forced Christians to marry same sex partners, but it doesn't - it simply allows it for people who obviously don't share the Christian belief that it is wrong.
Do you see the disconnect? Do you see why you're being bigotted and hypocritical?
Theocracy = forcing religious rules on everyone, including non-believers.
Restricting gay marriage = forcing the Christian definition of marriage on those who do not share the same belief.
Since the restriction of gay marriage has literally zero societal benefit other than not meeting the Christiandefinition of marriage, the restriction of gay marriage is, in fact, a form of Theocratic rule. Remember - the US government is not Christian - it can't be. We have a seperation of church and state so that all faiths and people who have no faith can all be safe and free from persecution and undue restrictions. This means that the state's marriage license is a nonreligious contract, nothing more, and the religious component of marriage is up to the church. Christians can feel perfectly free to refuse to marry homosexuals in their churches, but to make it actually illegal for them to receive a marriage license is Theocratic.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 61 of 68 (362012)
11-05-2006 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Hyroglyphx
11-05-2006 1:45 PM


Re: Theocracy :vs: Democracy
He who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor." -Romans 13:1-7
Damn that's funny.
According to that, the Protestant Revolution was rebelling against "what God had isntituted." Guess all the Evangelicals should head back to the Catholic Church, huh? Or how about the American Revolution? Should we still be part of England, since England was "the authority" and the colonies rebelled?
And Iraq may have been a "threat to the stability of the democratic world." Maybe. Saddam certainly didn't like us. But he didn't actually militarily attack the US, and neither has it been shown that he materially supported any such attack on the US. It was a pre-emptive strike for no actual reason other than "we think you might do something in the future, but have no proof." It would be like sentencing somebody to life in prison becasue you think he might commit a murder someday, and have no actual evidence to support this claim other than that he's said "I wish so-and-so was dead."

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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