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Author Topic:   do Christians want their values enforced on everyone by law?
Hyroglyphx
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Message 4 of 68 (361468)
11-04-2006 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
11-04-2006 9:04 AM


Theocracy :vs: Democracy
What I'd like to understand is why she, or any other Christian, would be opposed to these Christian principles being imposed by the government but completely support the governement imposing other Christian principles, such as banning gay marriage, banning embyonic stem cell research, stopping FDA approval of certain drugs because they have a religious objection to their uses even though those uses are legal, etc?
This is a difficult to answer easily. There is no easy answer. I am of the firm belief that a Theocracy is about the worst thing a government could do, right up their with communism. You cannot force people to agree with the tenets of God. It just doesn't work that way. And if God doesn't try doing that, why should we? However, we are supposed to preach His Name everywhere go and to speak about His unfailing love and eternal law.
Does that mean Christians need to be subservient little church mice who never rock the boat and never stick up for their beliefs? No, definitely not. We are afforded as much right as anyone else to share our deepest convictions. We are allowed to vote against gay marriage, especially when the very definition of marriage is required of a man and a woman. We also are afforded the right to vote against fetal stem cell research if it promotes the killing of a baby. Likewise, the opposition is afforded the right to vote however they want. That's the beauty of Democracy. It is far from perfect. But you can't force the human spirit to side with any particular dogma. We were given a freewill.

"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2nd Corinthians 10:4-5

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 9 of 68 (361496)
11-04-2006 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by subbie
11-04-2006 12:36 PM


Re: Theocracy :vs: Democracy
All true, but completely beside the point.
The question is why the religious right, or anyone for that matter, wants to put only some so-called Christian values into law.
I don't align myself with the Religious Right because they politicize Jesus. I don't agree with that. As far as I go, the aborting of one person so that another person might not have a disease is a terrible idea. I don't see that as an inherently religious concept. Sure, that belief is shared by many theologians, but that is not something forced on a congregation. There is nothing in the Bible that directly speaks against abortion, for instance. I believe it is greatly inferred, but that really is besides the point. Whether I believed in God or not might not bear a reflection on whether I viewed abortion as wrong.

"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2nd Corinthians 10:4-5

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 55 of 68 (361844)
11-05-2006 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by nator
11-04-2006 8:08 PM


Re: Theocracy :vs: Democracy
Why do Christian conservatives vote to support the death penalty
I'm a Christian and a conservative but I don't agree wuth the death penalty.
or vote to cut funding to programs to help the poor
You only cut programs that don't bear any fruit. The Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act is a Federal law that now mandates the government tells us exactly to what programs our taxes are going to. Its a great idea. It even critiques all programs on its effectiveness. If you'd like to see where your taxes are going, provided you are American
or vote to go to war on a country that has never threatened or injured us, or vote to support business greed and wealth?
Tell that to your buddies. Even Snopes.com, a good b.s. detector, knows that Iraq was an preeminent threat to the stability of the democratic world.
Why do they do that when it is so clearly counter to what even Faith has agreed are good Christian values?
On capital punishment, they aren't wrong. It is a personal matter for me to be against the death penalty. But it is not wrong by itself.
He who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
" -Romans 13:1-7
Its kind of like vegetarians in the Bible. If your brother is a vegetarian because he views it as wrong, then let it be wrong for him. But likewise, do not listen to the vegetarian who says that you are wrong because you eat meat. Eating meat is not unlawful for the man who eats it. But if the vegetarian says its a sin for himself, then let it be. The point being, don't stumble your brother over something as trivial as food.
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : spacing

"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2nd Corinthians 10:4-5

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 57 of 68 (361873)
11-05-2006 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by crashfrog
11-05-2006 2:16 PM


Re: Christians Impose No Laws
Forget it.... *delete* off-topic
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : No reason given.

"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2nd Corinthians 10:4-5

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