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Message 205 of 229 (333667)
07-20-2006 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by riVeRraT
07-20-2006 8:30 AM


Re: God's judgment
1 Corinthians 14:22
22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.
That is prophetic speaking in the church, or speaking the mind of God, before the canon was completed, and it was not necessarily foretelling.
Are you objecting to my explaining God's role in events because you disagree that God has that role in them or because even though it's true I shouldn't be saying it? You've said both, you know. Since you reject the very idea that God directs all events, I see no credibility in your judgment of what I'm doing whatever.
Matthew 7:12
12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
Speak that one to yourself, since your attitude toward me leaves quite a bit to be desired.

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Message 217 of 229 (333960)
07-21-2006 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by riVeRraT
07-21-2006 9:12 AM


Re: God's judgment
You are WAY WAY out of line. I never said I was a prophet, all I did was explain some events as God's doing, and they were because everything is. I said prophetic speaking has nothing necessarily to do with foretelling, and I did not claim to predict anything in particular. I merely received a strong leading about America coming up for God's judgment. And telling people God's hand in the event is to God's glory.
Did God cause the famine at Elijah's behest, because of Israel's apostasy? and end it the same way? Then such natural events aren't just the natural outworking of the ground's being cursed.
IF there is calamity in a city will not God have done it? That's in Amos.
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Message 220 of 229 (333971)
07-21-2006 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by riVeRraT
07-21-2006 9:18 AM


Re: God's judgment
I don't know Jackson at all, but Benny Hinn is no prophet. He's been exposed for his false theology. I used to be a charismatic too. I prayed a LOT about the errors I was encountering in those circles and I got answers. There is false theology galore, and false spirits as well. YOU are the one who needs to do the serious self-examination, not I.
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Message 221 of 229 (333972)
07-21-2006 12:14 PM
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07-21-2006 11:57 AM


Re: Topic!
Oops sorry. I'll stop the off topic posts now.

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Message 227 of 229 (334482)
07-23-2006 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by ramoss
07-18-2006 2:50 PM


Re: throw back to the Dark ages.
This is one case where not understanding the hebrew can show errors in thinking.
THe term 'Evil' in Isaiah 45:7 is the exact term that is used in Genesis for the 'tree of knowledge of good and evil'.
Again, your interpretation is reading into the words, rather than reading the words that are written.
You appear not to know very much about Hebrew after all:
Various recent translations have the idea of calamity, and it's obvious enough from the parallel structure of the sentence. It is disaster, not sin, that is the obvious contrast with "peace," "wellbeing" or "prosperity."
NLT-Isa 45:7- I am the one who creates the light and makes the darkness. I am the one who sends good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things.
NKJV-Isa 45:7- I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.'
NIV-Isa 45:7- I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.
NASB-Isa 45:7- The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these.
RSV-Isa 45:7- I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD, who do all these things.
Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible
And the Hebrew certainly backs it up:
Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible
ra` {rah}
from 07489
1) bad, evil
a) bad, disagreeable, malignant
b) bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
c) evil, displeasing
d) bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)
e) bad (of value)
f) worse than, worst (comparison)
g) sad, unhappy
h) evil (hurtful)
i) bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
j) bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
2) evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity
a) evil, distress, adversity
b) evil, injury, wrong
c) evil (ethical)
3) evil, misery, distress, injury
a) evil, misery, distress
b) evil, injury, wrong
c) evil (ethical)
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Message 229 of 229 (334606)
07-23-2006 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by ramoss
07-23-2006 1:17 PM


Re: throw back to the Dark ages.
Some blogger you would put ahead of the many translators of the various Bible versions and the Hebrew key provided? Nonsense.
The passage itself ought to be a clue that "evil" means calamity: the parallel between light and dark, then peace and ... what, "sin?" No way. NONpeace, bad times, adversity.
Another verse the King James has "evil" for that same Hebrew word:
Amo 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done [it]?
{EDIT: I JUST REREAD YOUR BLOGGER, AND HE AGREES THAT THE HEBREW WORD FOR EVIL CAN MEAN DISTRESS OR HARM. Same as calamity, disaster, etc etc etc. And it makes no sense unless it means this in the passages quoted. So you are completely wrong.
Of course, the word for "evil" has many different interpretations. It can mean distress or harm ...
I THINK WE'RE ALSO OFF TOPIC HERE. LET'S GET BACK TO THE DEGREES OF FUNDAMENTALISM.
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