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Topic: The boasts of atheists (Atheist self-deception)
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robinrohan
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Message 106 of 304 (330450)
07-10-2006 2:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 102 by PaulK
07-10-2006 2:05 PM
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You'd need to show someone claiming to be more than human to back that up now. Constant robust enthusiasm for the wonder of life is more than human. Humans are bored occasionally. Exemplary moral character is more than human, unless you're some kind of saint.
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mikehager
Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 534 Joined: 09-02-2004
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Re: Get a load of this
Robinrohan, you have called me out from lurking. In the future when you quote me, go ahead and identify me. This is the second time you have quoted me anonymously and then attacked my position. It was I that made the quote that so distressed you that it induced the pyhsical urge to regurgitate. Now, moving past your rather low tactics, how exactly does my position amount to braggadocio? Now, if you are capable of engaging in a discussion where there is no reason to "Cry Nihilism! And let slip the dogs of pedanticism!", please respond.
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Brian
Member (Idle past 4989 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: 10-22-2002
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Teresa: her hips don't lie
Exemplary moral character is more than human, unless you're some kind of saint. This is inaccurate as well. Mother Teresa was often referred to as a living saint, and I think the Vatican has her on one of thse fast tracking to sainthood courses they do. However, Teresa had anything but an exemplary moral character. Brian.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Exemplary moral character is more than human, unless you're some kind of saint. Why?
Constant robust enthusiasm for the wonder of life is more than human. Why?
Humans are bored occasionally. Isn't that amazing and the wonder of it is we can actually find ways to fill our time without being bored.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17828 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.5
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Constant robust enthusiasm for the wonder of life is more than human. Humans are bored occasionally.
So who has claimed that they are NEVER bored ?
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Exemplary moral character is more than human, unless you're some kind of saint
I don't think that is what is intended. I think that even if the original claim was an exaggeration, you are exaggerating it even more.,
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Brian
Member (Idle past 4989 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: 10-22-2002
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Message 111 of 304 (330461)
07-10-2006 2:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 109 by jar
07-10-2006 2:50 PM
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Bored
Isn't that amazing and the wonder of it is we can actually find ways to fill our time without being bored. I wish I had the time to get bored!!! Brian.
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docpotato
Member (Idle past 5077 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: 07-18-2003
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Constant robust enthusiasm for the wonder of life is more than human. Did anyone actually claim a constant robust enthusiasm of life? What I've seen is a, "I'm happier about life more often than not," kind-of boast.
Exemplary moral character is more than human, unless you're some kind of saint. Here you are confusing because this means either human saints are more than human or that exemplary moral character is not more than human since human saints can exhibit such behavior, rare as it may be.
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robinrohan
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Message 113 of 304 (330467)
07-10-2006 3:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 111 by Brian
07-10-2006 2:53 PM
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Re: Bored
I wish I had the time to get bored!!! Take a conventional vacation, which consists mostly of looking at things and trying new drinks.
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robinrohan
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Message 114 of 304 (330468)
07-10-2006 3:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 110 by PaulK
07-10-2006 2:52 PM
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So who has claimed that they are NEVER bored ? I don't think that is what is intended. I think that even if the original claim was an exaggeration, you are exaggerating it even more. I'm speaking of the DRIFT of their comments. That is the impression one gets when reading such comments.
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robinrohan
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Here you are confusing because this means either human saints are more than human or that exemplary moral character is not more than human since human saints can exhibit such behavior, rare as it may be. OK, let me re-phrase that. Exemplary moral character is more than human. Period.
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mikehager
Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 534 Joined: 09-02-2004
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Really? It is?
Exemplary moral character is more than human. Period. No, not if you use the word "exemplary" to mean what it means in English. From the good ol' American heritage dictionary: 1. Worthy of imitation; commendable: exemplary behavior. 2. Serving as a model. 3. Serving as an illustration; typical. 4. Serving as a warning; admonitory. What in this is inhumanly difficult? Your idiosyncratic definitions are tripping you up. Edited by mikehager, : Corrected grammar/spelling. Edited by mikehager, : corrected grammer/spelling
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 7.5
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Re: Bored
It seems to me that atheists' insistence on having a good life is usually seen in the context of a rebuttal of Christian needling, the old "you know your existence without God is an empty sham but you just won't admit it to me" kind of thing. Of course, being an agnostic, I have no need of such things. Still, you made me think of Berryman, so I brought some.
robin writes: Dream Song 14 Life, friends, is boring. We must not say so. After all, the sky flashes, the great sea yearns, we ourselves flash and yearn, and moreover my mother told me as a boy (repeatedly) 'Ever to confess you're bored means you have no Inner Resources.' I conclude now I have no inner resources, because I am heavy bored. Peoples bore me, literature bores me, especially great literature, Henry bores me, with his plights & gripes as bad as achilles, Who loves people and valiant art, which bores me. And the tranquil hills, & gin, look like a drag and somehow a dog has taken itself & its tail considerably away into mountains or sea or sky, leaving behind: me, wag. -John Berryman
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17828 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.5
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So basically all you have is your subjective interpretation of statements that do not explicitly make any claim to be more than human. That's a very flimsy basis for claims of "self deception" and "dishonesty".
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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on the subject of Exemplary
Exemplary moral character is more than human. Period. So humans can not behave in a manner worthy of imitation or that is commendable? Humans cannot behave in a fashion that can serve as an example? They cannot behave in a way that can be an illustration, a typical fashion or as a warning or admonitory?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan
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Re: Really? It is?
No, not if you use the word "exemplary" to mean what it means in English. From the good ol' American heritage dictionary: 1. Worthy of imitation; commendable: exemplary behavior. 2. Serving as a model. 3. Serving as an illustration; typical. 4. Serving as a warning; admonitory. What in this is inhumanly difficult? Your idiosyncratic definitions are tripping you up.
Welcome back. In common parlance, the term "exemplary" is used as a synonym for "great." But if you want to go with "commendable" or something, ok. I was shocked when I read it.
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