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Topic: Sinning? In your dreams...
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 25 of 177 (324509)
06-21-2006 5:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by iano
06-21-2006 3:14 PM
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Re: If in doubt - repent
iano writes: Dreams of any description arrive about 4 times a year for me. As I understand it, everybody dreams every night - they just don't always remember. I find that if I make a conscious effort to remember, I can remember three or four dreams per night. So, you're probably sinning up a storm in your dreams.  (By the way, I have never committed adultery in my dreams. I usually just can't find my shoes.)
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 27 of 177 (324542)
06-21-2006 6:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 26 by Heathen
06-21-2006 6:01 PM
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Re: If in doubt - repent
Creavolution writes: Is that a sin? Depends where you find them... brothel, opium den....
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 30 of 177 (324548)
06-21-2006 6:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 28 by iano
06-21-2006 6:47 PM
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Re: If in doubt - repent
iano writes: You are awful Ringo.... I think you meant "awe some", not "aw ful". Since I don't like absolutes (for the most part), "some" describes me better than "full".
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 58 of 177 (324848)
06-22-2006 12:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 55 by iano
06-22-2006 11:05 AM
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Re: God speaks to Larni in a dream (cos God does that kind of thing)
iano writes: Now which item in particular do you argue is not represented (in skim fashion) by Christian (faith alone) thought? One item in particular that really jumps out is the multiple "Lions of Judah". Multiple Jesuses? And lions "climbing all over the church" sounds more like they're feeding on a carcass.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 64 of 177 (324872)
06-22-2006 1:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 62 by iano
06-22-2006 1:14 PM
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Re: God speaks to Larni in a dream (cos God does that kind of thing)
iano writes: Take the church at the end of the field with lions crawling all over it. There you go again - plural lion s, representing Jesus - and "crawling all over it" does not suggest guardianship. How about addressing the obvious flaws in you asininalysis? ABE:
iano writes: "My own personal Jesus - someone to hear my prayers - someone who cares. But which one..?" God had an only begotten Son, not a whole pride of them. Edited by Ringo, : Added reply to another post.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 67 of 177 (324892)
06-22-2006 1:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 65 by iano
06-22-2006 1:29 PM
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Re: Aslan is not a tame lion
iano writes: Larni is in a different position. He's in a veritable hall of mirrors. Which Christ is the right one from his perspective? That's exactly the point, and (I think) Larni has tried to make that point himself. If we're looking at it from Larni's viewpoint, why equate lions to Jesus at all? Why not actually look at Larni's cultural background to see what significance lions might have in his mind?
Do lions crawl? If they do then I imagine it is when they are creeping up on prey. What prey would one find on top of a church? Christians. There's an obvious lions/Christians imagery there that makes a lot more sense than yours.
Any other ideas for a lion crawling? Let's finish disposing of your ideas first.  If the multiple Jesuses were guarding the Church, why would they crawl all over it? The common phrase is " stand on guard". We even have it in our national anthem over here - "We crawl all over thee on guard" doesn't ring true, somehow. Ever been to Buckingham Palace? Do the Guards crawl all over it? It's interesting too that you found the lioness significant in Larni's other dream (why not a bear or a cow?). If the species of animal in a dream is so significant, why wouldn't the number be significant too? It seems like you're just seeing what you want to see in dreams. Edited by Ringo, : Seeiing double eyes.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 77 of 177 (324921)
06-22-2006 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 69 by iano
06-22-2006 2:04 PM
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Re: Aslan is not a tame lion
iano writes: He asked for a Christian (mine) perspective. Not his own. He asked for a Christian perspective on his dream. Any imagery used would have to include his cultural context - not yours.
Christian theology was the perspective that Larni asked for. Christians being thrown to lions is not a theology *cough*semantics*cough* Are you saying that you deliberately gave him a bad interpretation of his dream just because of one word he used? What you should have said was, "It isn't strictly theology, but...."
Defence was the term I used. If you want to get semantic, "protect" was the term you used:
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Lions crawling all over the church is indicative of a protected structure. Protected by Jesus. Message 49
You expect people to take your theology and your dreamology seriously when you can't even quote yourself accurately?
Standing is inactive defence, crawling is very active. Somehow, Jesus crawling on his belly to protect the church is not a very appealing image either. Whole platoons of belly-crawling Jesuses is not an improvement. By the way, does "crawling on his belly" remind you of anything?
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Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Is the church under attack or not. I would say yes. At least at EvC. The church is under attack by inerrantists and dogmatists, but that's probably another topic. What I'm trying to show here is that the interpretation of dreams can produce any kind of mumbo-jumbo, as your example illustrates. The result tells us more about the interpreter than it does about the dreamer.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 87 of 177 (324990)
06-22-2006 6:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 86 by iano
06-22-2006 5:57 PM
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Re: Bon appetit (from the perspective of the prey)
iano writes: Assuming we can assume the Lion/Jesus connection... it would have to be a lioness! So now it's platoons of shemale Jesuses, belly-crawling like snakes in defence of the church?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 89 of 177 (324994)
06-22-2006 6:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 88 by CK
06-22-2006 6:13 PM
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Re: Bon appetit (from the perspective of the prey)
As I mentioned in a earlier post, the interpretation tells more about the interpreter than the dreamer. Who knows what's going on in little Ian's subconscious?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 92 of 177 (324997)
06-22-2006 6:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 90 by Heathen
06-22-2006 6:27 PM
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Re: Bon appetit (from the perspective of the prey)
Creavolution writes: isn't that "jesii"?  I was going to say that - great minds, eh? Interesting, though, that we don't even have a proper plural for "Jesus" and yet Mr. Dream Interpreter feels free to ignore the numerology.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 94 of 177 (324999)
06-22-2006 6:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 91 by iano
06-22-2006 6:30 PM
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Re: Bon appetit (from the perspective of the prey)
iano writes: "... the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart." Well, you're the one who brought it up. If you insist on digging the hole deeper, don't be surprized when people notice your pile of dirt. Edited by Ringo, : No reason given.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 95 of 177 (325000)
06-22-2006 6:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 93 by Heathen
06-22-2006 6:35 PM
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Re: Bon appetit (from the perspective of the prey)
Creavolution writes: Great minds...Fools.... Hmm... I have been known to rush in where angels fear to tread.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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robinrohan writes: You weren't lusting in your heart for a real person. Where "lusting in your heart" is concerned, I don't think the object of the lust is relevant.
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Message 120 of 177 (325261)
06-23-2006 10:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 115 by iano
06-23-2006 9:28 AM
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Lion-shaped animal crackers
iano writes: I am not trying to prove that this was an oblique message from God. The case that it is is the one presented to you. You must decide for yourself. Reject or accept - the choice is yours. So, if I "interpret" Larni's dream as a message from Hansel and Gretel, he can just choose my interpretation or yours? That sounds mighty like dream interpretation is crap - which somebody (hmm...) has been saying all along.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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robinrohan writes: Is it a sin for a single man to lust in his heart for a single woman? As far as I know, the "lusting in your heart" thing was equated only to adultery (by Jesus). The door to garden-variety fornication is pretty much wide open (dream-wise, anyway).
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