Sinning? In your dreams...

Johnny Cash I'm afraid. I was a skinhead in Depeche M days. If anyone had tried to talk to me about Jesus I would have probably nutted them.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

He asked for a Christian perspective on his dream. Any imagery used would have to include his cultural context - not yours. *cough*semantics*cough* Are you saying that you deliberately gave him a bad interpretation of his dream just because of one word he used?What you should have said was, "It isn't strictly theology, but...." If you want to get semantic, "protect" was the term you used:

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Lions crawling all over the church is indicative of a protected structure. Protected by Jesus. Message 49

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You expect people to take your theology and your dreamology seriously when you can't even quote yourself accurately? Somehow, Jesus crawling on his belly to protect the church is not a very appealing image either. Whole platoons of belly-crawling Jesuses is not an improvement.By the way, does "crawling on his belly" remind you of anything?

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Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

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The church is under attack by inerrantists and dogmatists, but that's probably another topic.What I'm trying to show here is that the interpretation of dreams can produce any kind of mumbo-jumbo, as your example illustrates. The result tells us more about the interpreter than it does about the dreamer.

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Is that the time. SheetLater dude. I'm off to worship practice. Forgive me Lord for the speed I am about to commit

How galling Thought we may finaly have some common ground Although nature has dictated I am a (near) skin head now!!

Christ!I think Pop psychology is a load of crap. I said so, your example of it was perfect.. crap.. bollox.. meaningless..end of.don't get too wrapped up in it will you?

Me too. The Lord promises that he will restore the (unbelieving) years the locusts have swallowed up. He did in many ways for me. But not in that department alas

A Freudian Slip?

So very very true.Dream interpretation is on the same hokey floor as tea leaves, astrology and tarot.

Does freud have a view on swearing?ABE:
other than his view of course that we are all frustrated motherf*ckersEdited by Creavolution, : No reason given.

Dream on...

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The results suggest that dream interpretation can be used to help female clients gain insight and relationship well-being.

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Have a look at titles and publications referred to in the references at the bottom of this very scientific looking paper.Dream Interpretation with Heterosexual Dating Couples - Kolchakian -  ASD Journal Dreaming  12(1)

Assuming we can assume the Lion/Jesus connection at this point some things to note which may illuminate our pop psychology.In case you haven't got one... A well laid out online Bible1) The process of God making Christians is pictured in the Bible as you being crucified. Put to death. The 'old man', the spiritually dead one, is done away with. The necessity for this happening is also given below. The start of Romans 7 uses illustrations from marriage to elaborate on this idea of how one is freed from being subject to The Law which says 'do this' 'do that'.

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Romans6:6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin - 7because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.

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...freed from sin. Sin being Law breaking. Free from the addiction to sin I have spoken of before. "If the Son sets you free (from The Law) you will be free indeed"2) A person can only inhabit one of two states. 'In Adam' (we are all born that way) or 'in Christ' (old man is put to death - and immediately we are reborn and placed (by God) into Christ - all part of the same saving process that God applies). You would be in him. Just like you would be were you eaten by a lion. This sounds like you would not be you anymore - being consumed like that. But it is either be consumed like that or remain in the belly of Adam. A person who is captive to sin is not free. Freedom is an illusion. We are slaves/servants/sons either of Satan or God. No other options possible.

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Romans 8:1 Therefore ("as a result of the argument I have given up to now to support this" says Paul), there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

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The Law of sin and death = the law of God that says "Do this" "Don't do that". The one we cannot ever keep. We are freed from subjection to this law and become subject to a law we can keep. He enables us to keep it. And in an irresistable way. Love for him means we want to do things his way.3) Being consumed by this Lion may well involve pain. That pain might be the torture of a search which takes you down one blind alley after the other. It may involve being broken. It may, as it does in the case of alcholics who find their strength in their "higher power" - require total devastation. The process of crucifixion can be excruciating if one lets themselves be crucified. One possible experience may be the inner turmoil that Paul describes here of a man on the point of salvation:

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Romans 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do ” this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

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21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God's law (or doing the right thing); 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?

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It can be this way, it can be dozens of ways that differ in detail from this. Each arrives with their own testimony. This one is similar to my own. Then I was saved and could (and still do) say the very next sentence of this passage:

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Romans 7:25 Thanks be to God”through Jesus Christ our (my) Lord!

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4) And it would have to be a lioness! The one whose characteristic is to act out of concern for her offspring (-to-be). Next dream indeed! It didn't take long. The above is life for you Larni. First you have to die however. Its worth it. Well worth it.Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

So now it's platoons of shemale Jesuses, belly-crawling like snakes in defence of the church?

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well don't female clergy often refer to Jesus as Mother? Maybe he's a ladyboy.

As I mentioned in a earlier post, the interpretation tells more about the interpreter than the dreamer.
Who knows what's going on in little Ian's subconscious?

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isn't that "jesii"?