Sinning? In your dreams...

Care to point out the xian theology you picked up from my dream?

You make it sound like a dirty word. I won't go down this path too far with you. Just read the titles of this mans work - especially the last one. Tea leaves, tarot cards etc it apparenlty is not. Page Not Found on the Users, Units, or Orgs Server | Miami University Why would more or less mean zero is possible? Less is just less. okay, the dog in the street doesn't know it and neither does a person who looks at themselves honestly (according to their definiition of it)

No. I meant it in a very good way. Experimental science is how we learn new things.I have heard of Knudson and recall his work to be stemming from systemic family therapy. He also does work with eating disorders and above all WORKS WITH A PATIENT/CLIENT POPULATION.Just as Freud did.You cannot generalise from a patient population any more than you can generalise mean running speed of your average human male from a population with sprained ankles.Dreams are nothing more than random images from our memory given a narative. The only thing they can possibly tell anyone is what you have been thinking about the day before.You can test this yourself: before you go to bed (this may take a week to kick in) make an effort for about 15 minutes before you closes your eyes to visualise what you want to dream about.Eventually you will dream about it.AbE: Care to point out the xian theology you picked up from my dream? Edited by Larni, : Removing multiple exclaimation marks.

Sure. It is reasonably easy to point out the significance of eyes in the Bible. The symbolism behind Jesus so often healing blindness being a metaphor for his message to us: we are spiritually blind. But in this context: sin has various entry points into a mans soul. And the eyes are a significant entry point. The front door so to speak, the windows to the soul, etc. (I read somewhere that we get something like 85% of our information about the external world through our eyes) Porno is sin. It gained entry to your soul via your eyes.And the sin itself. Well, sexual immorality is one of the prime manifestations of sin. Paul, in Romans 1 (Romans being the most complete statement of the Gospel) is talking about mans need for the Gospel. He talks about the wickedness of man and although listing all sorts of sin in man, concludes by way of detailed example. The depravity of man is illustrated by using sexual immorality as a case in point:

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24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator”who is forever praised. Amen.

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26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion

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Thats the position of an unbeliever. For a believer too, sexual immorality is considered amongst the very worst sins, for it is a sin against the very temple in which the Holy Spirit of God resides - namely our own bodies. Minor point. But dreams can occur during a snooze, daydreaming etc. This one occurred at night. Sinful man hates light for light illuminates his sin. People in real world tend to want their deeds hidden so that they are not illuminated. Not seen. Nighttime is the best time for sin. There is no light. It would be interesting to know if this location was a place you considered home. The other imagery is plain as day. Church with lions climbing all over it. The imagery of Jesus is given in the Bible in the title: the Lion of Judah. From whence CS. Lewis got the idea for the Jesus represented by Aslan.The church in Christianity is simply the body of believers. Me, Faith etc. Not denominations, not buildings etc - just people. Lions crawling all over the church is indicative of a protected structure. Protected by Jesus. You been attacking any Christians lately Larni? Behind the church. Not in front of - as in: in plain view. Hidden behind. Not in the grounds of ( for you are not part of it yet). But in sight of it - you are considering and searching for all the (understandable) ridicule. In a field - that's were grubby, perverse sex takes place. Not in a pure marriage bed. Adultery piled upon perverse sex. Sin upon sin. The true state of us all - if we were only to examine ourselves more closely. And caught. Hidden in a field out of sight but still caught. There is no hiding sin in the end. Total shame. The one person in the whole wide world before whom you would not want this sin revealed. If you had a choice, you would have it revealed before anyone except your mother. Her precious, beloved son debasing himself in her sight. The shame of sin. Not that the Lion of Judah couldn't see either. I gather you sometimes get a sense of Him. The shame is infinite. Seen by your mother. Seen by the paper who wll publish pictures and lurid stories and doorstep you. You will be looked on by everyone you know as a pervert. Total loss of dignity and respect.Big Brother. Currently you view God as Big Brother so its not surprising He is represented as such. Your own slant on him though. Even the fact it was Lea from Big Brother is telling. Another mother:

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Big Brother 7: Following the lager incident, Lea the house's self appointed mum...
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The thing about mums though. Even though you've debased yourself. Even though the readers of the newspaper will point at you in the street. Mum will always love you. Mum will always forgive.That's what mums are like. Thats what He is like.I notice there was no mention of your partner in crime. Typical. Sin gets you into trouble. But it is never there when you need to get out of it.Edited by iano, : typo

I'm speachless.Do you honestly believe what you have just written?You think it is accurate to apply your cultural milieux to anothers dream as a way of interpreting said dream?Knudson would be as aghast as I am.Speachless.

I agree with Larni... speechless...
That was an astounding collection of unsupported clap trap.you got a bag of leeches on hand to suck out the demons?
(hint: see if he weighs the same as a duck first... then burn him)

I didn't say you would accept it. Your sub-conscious too? You asked for a Christian perspective didn't you? See quote up top.

Now why is it that that doesn't surprise me in the least. Less duck - more parrot

er.. not sure what litle snipe you're trying to get in,
but regardless of what Larni or anyone else thinks I would have thought that was a load of bollocks.

Would you not consider your own self somewhat theologically-challenged when it comes to Christianity. I don't mean it as an insult but it stands to reason that you'll consider it bolloxLarni asked for an explanation w.r.t Christian theology. And I gave it. Now which item in particular do you argue is not represented (in skim fashion) by Christian (faith alone) thought?Like specifically. Bollox is too broad a brushstroke.

Bollox in terms of trying to implant your theology/Philosophy in someone elses dreams..it's the lowest form of pop psychology.
absolute bollocks

Larni asked a very specific question. Very, very specific. He asked for me to 'implant Christian theology in his dream'. And he was answered specifically according to his quesion. If you have some issue with any of the basic Christian (faith alone) theology contained within then say as much.Otherwise this is a mere rant, Crevo.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

One item in particular that really jumps out is the multiple "Lions of Judah". Multiple Jesuses?And lions "climbing all over the church" sounds more like they're feeding on a carcass.

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I was expecting xian architypes and the like, life, death and rebirth, sacrifice, forgiveness, doing unto others etc....What you gave me was Ianoism.Lions?I had a dream that a lioness was laying on me one night.I awoke to find my partners arm draped around me.Is she Aslan?

life: it was there in the distance. In the church. Not yet seen as life but then again there is a continuum on the road to salvation. Next dream perhapsdeath: death was there all right from a Christian perspective. Death of self in a sea of shame. That is the death that awaits an unbeliever. The revulsion that God will display when all is revealed on the day of Judgment. Naked and utter self shame is that persons destiny. Its the recognising (in whatever way it manifests itself to a person)that this is ones destiny which makes a person cry out for an escape. At which point one is saved from it. But one has to see their need before they can cry out.Rebirth. Not from this information. If this were a message then I wouldn't worry just yet. The stage being dealt with is your current position. A sinner who knows God not. Rebirth is a later chapter - a person must be convicted first, convinced. As one is convinced that this dark scenario applies to them then hope, escape should be revealed. All in good time I think.Sacrifice: same here. A bit early in the proceedingsForgiveness. There in type in the form of your mother. I don't know at which point in the dream you encounter here. Possibly only her witnessing. There is a time for forgiveness but one must recognise they have sinned. If they don't recognise it and protest that what they were doing in that field was fine then there is nothing to forgive is there? Depends on how you felt and whether you think you needed your mothers forgiveness. No data to go on from what you said I am condensing drastically. Of necessity. There are huge issues here. Your partners arm became a lioness. Not a bear, not a motorcar, not any of the myriad of other things it could be. A lioness.How'd you feel about it?Edited by iano, : No reason given.