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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Dreams of any description arrive about 4 times a year for me. As I understand it, everybody dreams every night - they just don't always remember. I find that if I make a conscious effort to remember, I can remember three or four dreams per night. So, you're probably sinning up a storm in your dreams. (By the way, I have never committed adultery in my dreams. I usually just can't find my shoes.) Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Creavolution writes: Is that a sin? Depends where you find them... brothel, opium den.... Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: You are awful Ringo.... I think you meant "awesome", not "awful". Since I don't like absolutes (for the most part), "some" describes me better than "full". Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Now which item in particular do you argue is not represented (in skim fashion) by Christian (faith alone) thought? One item in particular that really jumps out is the multiple "Lions of Judah". Multiple Jesuses? And lions "climbing all over the church" sounds more like they're feeding on a carcass. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Take the church at the end of the field with lions crawling all over it. There you go again - plural lions, representing Jesus - and "crawling all over it" does not suggest guardianship. How about addressing the obvious flaws in you asininalysis? ABE:
iano writes: "My own personal Jesus - someone to hear my prayers - someone who cares. But which one..?" God had an only begotten Son, not a whole pride of them. Edited by Ringo, : Added reply to another post. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Larni is in a different position. He's in a veritable hall of mirrors. Which Christ is the right one from his perspective? That's exactly the point, and (I think) Larni has tried to make that point himself. If we're looking at it from Larni's viewpoint, why equate lions to Jesus at all? Why not actually look at Larni's cultural background to see what significance lions might have in his mind?
Do lions crawl? If they do then I imagine it is when they are creeping up on prey. What prey would one find on top of a church? Christians. There's an obvious lions/Christians imagery there that makes a lot more sense than yours.
Any other ideas for a lion crawling? Let's finish disposing of your ideas first. If the multiple Jesuses were guarding the Church, why would they crawl all over it? The common phrase is "stand on guard". We even have it in our national anthem over here - "We crawl all over thee on guard" doesn't ring true, somehow. Ever been to Buckingham Palace? Do the Guards crawl all over it? It's interesting too that you found the lioness significant in Larni's other dream (why not a bear or a cow?). If the species of animal in a dream is so significant, why wouldn't the number be significant too? It seems like you're just seeing what you want to see in dreams. Edited by Ringo, : Seeiing double eyes. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: He asked for a Christian (mine) perspective. Not his own. He asked for a Christian perspective on his dream. Any imagery used would have to include his cultural context - not yours.
Christian theology was the perspective that Larni asked for. Christians being thrown to lions is not a theology *cough*semantics*cough* Are you saying that you deliberately gave him a bad interpretation of his dream just because of one word he used? What you should have said was, "It isn't strictly theology, but...."
Defence was the term I used. If you want to get semantic, "protect" was the term you used:
quote: You expect people to take your theology and your dreamology seriously when you can't even quote yourself accurately?
Standing is inactive defence, crawling is very active. Somehow, Jesus crawling on his belly to protect the church is not a very appealing image either. Whole platoons of belly-crawling Jesuses is not an improvement. By the way, does "crawling on his belly" remind you of anything?
quote: Is the church under attack or not. I would say yes. At least at EvC. The church is under attack by inerrantists and dogmatists, but that's probably another topic. What I'm trying to show here is that the interpretation of dreams can produce any kind of mumbo-jumbo, as your example illustrates. The result tells us more about the interpreter than it does about the dreamer. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Assuming we can assume the Lion/Jesus connection... it would have to be a lioness! So now it's platoons of shemale Jesuses, belly-crawling like snakes in defence of the church? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
As I mentioned in a earlier post, the interpretation tells more about the interpreter than the dreamer.
Who knows what's going on in little Ian's subconscious? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Creavolution writes: isn't that "jesii"? I was going to say that - great minds, eh? Interesting, though, that we don't even have a proper plural for "Jesus" and yet Mr. Dream Interpreter feels free to ignore the numerology. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: "... the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart." Well, you're the one who brought it up. If you insist on digging the hole deeper, don't be surprized when people notice your pile of dirt. Edited by Ringo, : No reason given. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Creavolution writes: Great minds...Fools.... Hmm... I have been known to rush in where angels fear to tread. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
robinrohan writes: You weren't lusting in your heart for a real person. Where "lusting in your heart" is concerned, I don't think the object of the lust is relevant. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: I am not trying to prove that this was an oblique message from God. The case that it is is the one presented to you. You must decide for yourself. Reject or accept - the choice is yours. So, if I "interpret" Larni's dream as a message from Hansel and Gretel, he can just choose my interpretation or yours? That sounds mighty like dream interpretation is crap - which somebody (hmm...) has been saying all along. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
robinrohan writes: Is it a sin for a single man to lust in his heart for a single woman? As far as I know, the "lusting in your heart" thing was equated only to adultery (by Jesus). The door to garden-variety fornication is pretty much wide open (dream-wise, anyway). Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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