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Parasomnium
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Message 242 of 275 (264005)
11-29-2005 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by Christian7
11-19-2005 10:23 AM


About knowledge
Guidosoft writes:
I'm starting to want to be a writter [sic] now.
Maybe you should reconsider, because I'm not sure that that's where your talents are.
sillicon and electricity will never produce consciousness
How about carbon and electricity? What if I said "carbon and electricity will never produce consciousness", would that make sense to you? Obviously carbon and electricity do produce consciousness. So maybe it's interesting to find out what fundamental barrier exists that keeps silicon from producing consciousness. Is there really such a barrier?
Lisp, I assume, but don't know for sure, is crap.
Honestly, Guido, if you think about that again, do you stand by it? Do you think it is a reasonable statement?
I don't know how young you are, Guido, but you come over as an eager fourteen-year-old with a voracious appetite for knowledge. That's good. But every now and then, you should stop and think about what you've learned. Try to get some perspective, try to put the pieces of the puzzle together. And never, ever, assume you know it all. What you and I know is nothing compared to what we don't know. Realizing that makes what we do know worth a lot more.
This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 29-Nov-2005 09:58 PM

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins

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Parasomnium
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Message 266 of 275 (312505)
05-16-2006 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by Christian7
05-16-2006 12:19 PM


Re: About knowledge
You knew I was 14 because I stated it awhile ago and you saw it.
I did not see your post where you said you are 14. And it's nothing to be ashamed of if your age shows in your writing. Your youthful enthusiasm betrays it, but that is not a bad thing. I just wanted to give you some well-meant advice.
You mam, are a cheep illuisionist.
Why? Because of my avatar? I don't understand why you find me cheap. But nevermind. If you do some research on me, you'll find out about my gender. (If Robin Rohan doesn't tell you first.)

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?

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Parasomnium
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Message 269 of 275 (312516)
05-16-2006 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by Christian7
05-16-2006 1:59 PM


Re: About knowledge
Maybe you should shutup.
If you tell everybody who criticizes you to shut up, you'll soon be out of debating partners. Is that what you want?
If I want to write a book, I will, and it will be published, because I said so.
If your book gets published, it's because your publisher said so, not you, make no mistake about that.
I know that I atleast write good enough for my English teacher to say that I am much brighter than the other students in the school, though teachers ussually complement too much. Wheather or not I am good enough to be published will be decided when the day comes.
You may be bright, but, as you'll see when you scrutinize those two sentences, even bright people need a spelling checker every now and then. Just keep that in mind.
It makes perfect sense to me that carbon and electricity can't produce consciousness. They can produce simulated thought but not the experiencing or thoughts, perceptions, or sensations. Carbon and electricity obviosully don't produce conciousness. Electronic Enceplograms aren't proof of a cause. They are merely proof of a relationship.
The brain is largely made of carbon and has a lot of electrical activity going on inside. Take away the carbon: gone is consciousness. Take away the electricity: gone is consciousness. To me, that suggests that carbon and electricity do produce consciousness. And since carbon is a bit like silicon, I don't see why, in principle, silicon and electricity couldn't do the same.
I am not saying that there is a barrier between consciousness and physical interactions, I am just saying that physical interactions are incapable of producing consciousness.
I think you say that because you cannot imagine how physical interactions produce consciousness. You're in good company, because no one knows precisely how it works. But that doesn't mean it's impossible. The fact that a blow on the head may result in a temporay cessation of conscious activity is strong evidence for a direct connection between physical activity and consciousness, wouldn't you say?
Edited by Parasomnium, : No reason given.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?

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Parasomnium
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Message 274 of 275 (312528)
05-16-2006 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by NosyNed
05-16-2006 4:33 PM


Re: good enough eh?
To be grammatically correct that should read: "write well enough..."
And bright people need a grammar checker too, Guido!
"Good done", Ned.
(Damn, why didn't I see that?)

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