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Topic: Can those outside of science credibly speak about science?
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robinrohan
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Message 111 of 198 (292111)
03-04-2006 1:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 107 by crashfrog
03-04-2006 12:28 PM
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Re: Built in logic
All it proves is that this is another example of of logic loaded into English grammar and language. Do you have any examples that aren't linguistic in nature? My poor students also have no problem distinguishing between "validity" and "truth." The above syllogism about Bush is invalid, but the conclusion just happens to be true. I don't know what type of example would be non-linguistic in nature, since we are talking about how we think. Do you mean an action of some sort?
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robinrohan
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Re: Living fallaciously
Most people don't recognize the falllacies in their own thinking without specific training in formal systems of logic. You don't have to have training in formal logic. All you have to do is become aware of what you've been accepting unconsciously--like my friend the "great artist." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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robinrohan
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Re: Living fallaciously
People don't catch fallacies that become obvious with training. Maybe not if you are talking about something tricky and subtle. But one doesn't have to be able to solve those puzzles to understand in a basic sense some scientific concept like, for example, natural selection. Even I can understand that.
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robinrohan
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Re: Living fallaciously
Fascinating, but irrelevant. Look at the title of this thread, Crashfrog. My comment was not off-topic.
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robinrohan
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Message 133 of 198 (292350)
03-05-2006 11:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 127 by nator
03-05-2006 7:05 AM
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Re: Living fallaciously
Have you done the Wason card task yet? What is the point of this test?
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robinrohan
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Message 135 of 198 (292355)
03-05-2006 11:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 126 by nator
03-05-2006 7:01 AM
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Re: Built in logic
Grammar is not logical by any normal definition of the word. It is an arbitrary set of rules. Sentence structure seems logical to me.
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robinrohan
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Message 141 of 198 (292366)
03-05-2006 12:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 139 by Asgara
03-05-2006 11:48 AM
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Re: OK, if you think logic is so natural
Faith, you "have no interest in proving" your side, you seem to have no interest in listening to the other side. May I ask why you are here at EvC at all? Faith is here to improve her vocabulary.
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robinrohan
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Message 150 of 198 (292377)
03-05-2006 12:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 142 by nwr
03-05-2006 12:10 PM
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Re: OK, if you think logic is so natural
Some people believe that thinking is just logic. In my opinion they are badly mistaken I have 20 years of empirical evidence--my poor community college students--to support my contention that logical thinking is a natural faculty. And what I am getting here? Some tricky test that's supposed to show something. Academic ivy-tower nonsense.
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robinrohan
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Message 155 of 198 (292386)
03-05-2006 1:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 153 by Faith
03-05-2006 12:45 PM
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Re: There is a thread for such questions
The "dodging" around here is being done by the evos who can't think their way out of a paper bag but lord it over the creos though they can't follow the simplest point. How amusing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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robinrohan
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Message 156 of 198 (292388)
03-05-2006 1:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 154 by mark24
03-05-2006 1:02 PM
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Re: There is a thread for such questions
You truly are the queen of dogma. Pretty funny.
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robinrohan
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Message 169 of 198 (292440)
03-05-2006 4:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 166 by nator
03-05-2006 3:49 PM
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Re: Living fallaciously
The Wason card task is a very basic abstract logic task.
There's a real world out there, Schraf. You might want to check it out sometime.
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robinrohan
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Message 173 of 198 (292453)
03-05-2006 4:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 171 by nator
03-05-2006 4:21 PM
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Re: OK, if you think logic is so natural
You have demonstrated clearly that you don't even know what formal logic is, let alone if humans have a natural capacity for it or not. You amuse me no end, Schraf, with your little academic quizzes. I have 20 years' experience judging real people who have minimal academic training, and I can tell you they can recognize a fallacy if you present it to them clearly. But you don't care about that. Go ahead and live in your little academic dream world of logical puzzles, your psychological tests and the like. As if those little quizzes could describe a human being.
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robinrohan
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Message 177 of 198 (292457)
03-05-2006 4:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 174 by nator
03-05-2006 4:34 PM
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Re: Living fallaciously
The Wason card task is a very basic abstract logic task. No, it's a trick. Yes, one can trick people.
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robinrohan
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Message 182 of 198 (292464)
03-05-2006 4:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 178 by PaulK
03-05-2006 4:41 PM
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Re: Living fallaciously
it really is very simple if you think about it. That people are "tricked" indicates that their thinking is not logical. That's nonsense. I'm talking about real-world logic. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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robinrohan
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Message 183 of 198 (292469)
03-05-2006 5:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 181 by nator
03-05-2006 4:55 PM
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Re: OK, if you think logic is so natural
Yes, many can understand a fallacy when it is presented to them clearly. That has nothing to do with natural ability to do logic, which is what you claimed humas have. Whether it is presented clearly has everything to do with it. Do you want to trick people--and then proclaim that they are not logical? That's what your little academic logical test does.
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