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Author Topic:   What led you to God?
sidelined
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Message 129 of 300 (278658)
01-13-2006 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by JJPgac
01-13-2006 2:58 AM


Re: La La Land again?
JJPgac
Nearly every act we do is a defiance of His will. If God does exist, then our race brought His wrath upon us through Original Sin
Hang on here a second.
God creates Adam and Eve then sets them in paradise {eden}. He then places all manner of fruit in Eden of which we are forbidden to eat just one of. Yet, God being omnipotent, must have known that we would choose wrongly and even goes so far as to create a serpent to convince Eve to take a bite thus ensuring that He was directly responsible for the act itself.
He then proceeds to punish all future generations for the crime which is a result of his actions since he must have known the actions we would choose would go against the command he gave which He can therefore only blame himself for since he gave us free will.
In giving us free will he must have realized that we were therefore free to choose so my question is this.
Why would God create men and women with the ability of free will,fully cognizant of the fact that they would choose to go against his wishes, then punish them for that which they could not help doing because of the defiant nature he created within them?
Methinks God is an idiot!

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Message 141 of 300 (278872)
01-14-2006 2:40 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
01-13-2006 3:06 PM


Re: Purpose in life
Faith
Nature has no mind and so we have no purpose if we are the products of mindless nature, and all this stuff about this purposeless accidental life form's making choices and inventing purposes has always seemed like complete meaningless futility, or like some kind of mean trick to me.
It can only be considered mean in the context of a world where the point was to cause despair and grief rather than the result of a directionless physics that is totally neutral to the results of its unfolding the way it has. Still, it is a wonderous universe full of many incredible interactions and occurences, and I would be disappointed to look at it otherwise.
Futility, yes, lost in a world with no purpose and no direction except what we choose to make of our brief lives however we would in the little span of existence we have.
How much more "miraculous" it is being alive in a universe that need not have resulted in consciousness and understanding, yet here we are
"a universe of atoms, an atom in the universe." I find it satisfying and subtley precious that such a world is available where we can experience such a breadth of enchantment with life when we are faced with an eventual end to all of it.This makes it all the more valuable and rewarding.I would gladly trade the boredom of eternity for the brief run I have at having my time in the sun.
But hey that is just me.

But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.

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sidelined
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Message 144 of 300 (278989)
01-14-2006 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by Faith
01-14-2006 11:04 AM


Re: Purpose in life
Faith
There is no WAY atoms could ever have brought about the human soul
Why do you say that? That a soul even exists is not known but merely assumed or taken on faith. At one time the rainbow was considered magic but is now understood to be a result of the laws governing atoms as is the aurora, lightning, earthquakes.
Our consciousness is directly a result of the actions of atoms and our mind is the electrical activity of chemical actions within our skull.You reckon little with what the atom is capable since it is by the actions of atoms that all that we sense and the abilities of our senses themselves arise.
I am going to open a thread on this topic.

But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.

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Message 154 of 300 (279030)
01-14-2006 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Faith
01-14-2006 7:14 PM


Re: Purpose in life
Faith
The brain I think of as a physical instrument for the soul for navigating the material universe
What is the status ,then, of a soul when a person is in a coma?

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Message 188 of 300 (279597)
01-17-2006 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by joshua221
01-16-2006 7:49 PM


prophex
I have told you that if this was the case, then our lives would be totally insignificant.
You have failed to demonstrate for us just why our lives would be totally insignificant. It sounds rather like you mean to say that it is your life that would have no significance.
You cannot simply make universal statements such as this without giving us a demonstration of what would make this statement valid.

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Message 261 of 300 (279899)
01-18-2006 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by Faith
01-18-2006 3:05 PM


Re: Did robinrohan say that on purpose?
Faith
We have lots of purposes of our own, but what is in question here is whether we have a Purpose.
Why should we expext there to be a Purpose at all though faith?
How do we seperate the human want for a direction from whatever actual direction there could be?
Is life itself and the living of it not enough? Is the want for more an illusion or is it life its own purpose.
We live our lives rushing around for some sense of order and fail to look closely at what is there I think. Like the man said
"The tragedy of life is not what men suffer; but what they miss."

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sidelined
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Message 263 of 300 (279903)
01-18-2006 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Faith
01-18-2006 3:59 PM


Re: Did robinrohan say that on purpose?
Faith
I will start a seperate thread on this despite you mistaking my name ok? LOL

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