when of if they can each afford a wife, they don't either divorce the first. but are we really going to base our society's legal contracts on any of these old traditions?
Not really, but we can study them to understand where we came from. You can't just dis all of history just like that, and say we were ignorant all those years. Whatever it was that history was doing all those years, got us to this point in time.
Has there ever been a soceity in other than post modern times that allowed gay marriage?
outside of religious conviction, there is NO REASON to restrict marriage of any sort
But then you've missed what I have been saying all along. My feelings on this subject came initially from within myself, and what I experienced in life. Religion only comfirmed it for me.
Trust me, I am trying real hard here. I am a little upset with myself.
we give children in adoption to those who are willing and able to care for them.
Didn't you just say this?
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marriage was never about children
And that legally children have nothing to do with marriage?
I almost think it is better for same sex couples to adopt children individually, instead of making 2 fathers, or 2 mothers, or even worse, a father who really is a mother, and a mother who really is a father.
Then if they should split, it is clear who will remain with the child.
In a straight marriage, the child usually goes to the mother, and the courst will stick up for the mother, unless there is an extreme circumstance. But usually if the mother says "I want to remain with my child," then she gets it.
some people want nothing to do with their natural parents because their natural parents are irresponsible or crazy or sick or abusive. are you suggesting that we should force these relationships because you liked your parents?
You weren't reading what I wrote. I said a loving responsible parent is what people desire.
I do not like my mother all that much. She cheated on my Dad, and my whole teenage life was spent listening to arguing, it was torture. I will not allow that to happen to my kids.
It hurt me tremdously, and goes against what my heart truely desired, to have a loving mother and father who are responsible about raising the children they choose to have.
How can you say marriage is not about children. How can you say legally it isn't. What about the phrase "illegitamate child".
What child doesn't suffer from being the child of a quick fuck?
Mom, change my name to quick fuck, because that is what I am.
I don't find that right either, and that is what I have been saying that need to change in this society also. We are stepping in the wrong direction.
It's like fixing the symptoms of a problem, instead of actually fixing the problem. If I did that in my business, I would surely lose many customers.
It is why I say it is not right.
it takes a lot more to build a relationship. i find it insulting that you would make marriage into this.
How can you say that?
People can get marriage liscense, but they don't need child liscenses. Well maybe we should impliment that.
Maybe we should working towards stopping millions of children from suffering. Instead of allowing gays to be married.
Maybe less people would actually be gay if we did this.
Yes, I know people who decided to be gay based on what went wrong with their parents, so don't tell me I am full of it.
show me a quote where jesus says this. jesus, not paul, not the old testament.
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Mark 12:25
When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
Do you think when Jesus said marriage, in that verse, that he was talking about man, and a man?
Jesus didn't write any of the bible, so I don't know how you expect me to prove this. But this isn't a religious conversation per-say anyway.
I don't know about you, but after reading all the comments in the NT about marriage, and how they should work, I find nothing about man being with a man. It's pretty obvious, and to say different is just plain stupid.
further, one man, one woman. this says nothing of children which you keep pressing.
You don't have to say anyting. It takes one man, and one woman to make a child, period.
That child should have a right to be raised by just that, a biological mother, and a biological father, who have given themselves in marriage and commited their lives to raising the children the so responsibly decided to have.
That is the ideal situation, and deviating from that, to me, just doesn't make sense. We are creating new ways of dealing with this, instead of fixing it directly. The more ways we create to deal with this, the more it will happen.
It is also why I am against abortion in most cases, not all. Abortion can be ok in certain cases.
There is no incosistancey in my thinking, but that doesn't make my thinking correct either.
i dare say that science is probably close enough to making an ovum out of an ordinary cell.
OMG, that is horrible. You can start another thread on that one, whew.
I don't think we should base our morals on technology either, since technology is never proven, and isn't guaranteed to stay here.
it's half a step from the cloning they're doing. you just use the dna from the other woman's cell to fill the ovum.)
How would a person feel, really if they had to rely on technology to concieve a child?
I am sure that straight couples who turn to techology to have a baby, have feelings that need to be dealt with, in that they were not able to create one on their own.
I think I would feel pretty shitty about myself if I had to, and wonder what was wrong with me.
#1 because he does. it's not your place to force a woman and children on him just because you think it's right.
Not a good answer at all. Nobody forcing anything here. That is an insufficient answer.
you have no idea and yet you proclaim that she isn't really married cause she hasn't squirted anything loud out.
It's more about intention, than what is.
except for marriage. he's all about judging marriage. especially if you don't want to have kids.
He's not judging it, and I am not judging it. IT just simply is what is, not what you concieve it to be, or what you want to change it into.
That is where you do not understand me, or Jesus. I don't even think your being honest with yourself. Of course this may be a judgmental ignorant statement, but it is what I feel and I shared it with you, don't be angry, but explain to me why I am wrong.
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