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Author Topic:   Gay marraige and the end of the world
jar
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Message 90 of 195 (279181)
01-15-2006 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by riVeRraT
01-15-2006 1:58 PM


Yet you support oppression
For all cultures?
Certainly for the Judaic Cultures. Dowries or power. But totally a financial purpose. Marriage is nothing but a legal contract.
As to your two questions, if I were either of the people addressed I'd justtell you it's none of your business. They are totally unrelated to the subject.
So should we make it legal to have multiple wives also?
Sure. Why not? Or in these economic times multiple husbands and even group marriages.
Which also brings up a good point, and that is the evidence of what marriage is supposed to be today, according to Jesus.
Totally irrelevant to the discussion. If anything, such a consideration MUST be dropped from any discussion of the issue as illegal.
You know, I am in a position, being a leader in a church to change peoples ways, or at least try, if they are wrong about how they treat gays, and whether or not we should be allowing them to marry. ( I do not think anyone in my church would ever treat a gay person bad, and would only treat them with love, or else I wouldn't go there. We live in a relativly liberal area, so there is more tolerance.)
Yet you support oppressing others. Strange.
This message has been edited by jar, 01-15-2006 02:31 PM

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 106 of 195 (279568)
01-16-2006 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by riVeRraT
01-16-2006 10:01 PM


Re: Yet you support oppression
Sorry Charlie, but it's not what you profess but your actions. If I pissed you off, GOOD. Perhaps you will stop and look at your actions.
The questions you asked were totally off topic and also none of your business. Sorry, fact.
Then, in response to you saying...
RR writes:
Which also brings up a good point, and that is the evidence of what marriage is supposed to be today, according to Jesus.
I responded
jar writes:
Totally irrelevant to the discussion. If anything, such a consideration MUST be dropped from any discussion of the issue as illegal.
you made the very strange respnse...
No it isn't really.
Just because Jesus's name comes up, doesn't make it religious. It's a discussion of the history of marriage. If the contract of marriage evolved from what Jesus taught us, then we should respect that.
Sorry son, but that's is simply bullshit. Once you bring in Jesus you are trying to impose YOUR religious beliefs on others.
Also, marriage goes back far before Christianity, even long before Judaism. And marriage today is not a religious rite, it's a legal, secular contract. You cannot get married without a marriage license from the state.
It's secular, just like the US is a secular nation, thank GOD.
You believe in Jesus, why wouldn't you consider that?
Because it is illegal, thank GOD.
Do not complain that I am opressing others.
Why. You are. If you oppose same sex marriages you are oppressing folk. No two ways about it.
I get the feeling jar, that the Jesus you believe in, is totally different from the one I belive in.
In the last days, there will be followers of men.
Try re-reading everything I wrote in this thread with an open heart, and mind. And please take into consideration that you are insulting me when you call me an opressor.
Well, I certainly hope that the Jesus I worship is different than what you express.
Re-read what you posted and guess what, if you oppose same-sex mariage you are oppressing people.
It really is as simple as that.

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jar
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Message 113 of 195 (279576)
01-16-2006 11:20 PM
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01-16-2006 11:16 PM


Re: Yet you support oppression
We are, thank GOD, a secular nation, certainly not a Christian nation, and I pray to GOD we never become a Christian nation.
Let's step through this one item at a time.
Why do you support denying people health care?

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 116 of 195 (279579)
01-16-2006 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by riVeRraT
01-16-2006 11:23 PM


Re: Yet you support oppression
Fear the answer?
Good.
That's the first step towards understanding.
Why do you support denying people health care?

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 119 of 195 (279583)
01-16-2006 11:38 PM
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01-16-2006 11:35 PM


Re: Yet you support oppression
Still avoiding the question?
That'sfine. But think about it.
Health Care. Why would Jesus want to deny someone health care?

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 122 of 195 (279586)
01-16-2006 11:44 PM
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01-16-2006 11:41 PM


Re: Yet you support oppression
jar askes:
Why would Jesus want to deny someone health care?
to which riVeRraT replies:
Because he was suicidal, gay, and has an iligitamate child.
You're right RR, the Jesus you worship is NOT the one I worship.

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