Evolution and Specialness of Humanity

Charlie, I would greatly appreciate a reply to Message #166 in this thread, if you wouldn't mind.

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How I think evolution puts it has been already said by me in just about every one of my posts.

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But you left out the very next sentence, Charlie. .I already know your distorted, tortured, bizzaro misinterpretation.I want you to show that this is also how scientists think about the meaning of the ToE.

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Why did this reply take so long? Because after reading this I simply gave up on schraf. She can't see past basic concepts, and definitions of ideas.

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Look, I'm askling questions in order to fully understand.Your strange interpretation of science is at complete odds with everthing I have ever learned or figured out or read or been taught about science.If you cannot answer my very basic questions, then I have no reason to lend any credence to your version.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-17-2005 09:41 PM

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According to Evolution, you don't have a Soul.

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Incorrect.According to the Theory of Evolution which is part of of the science of Biology, there is no evidence of a soul. Therefore, the concept of souls are not addressed at all.According to atheism, which is a philosphical worldview, you have no soul.One can believe in souls and also accept the ToE.In fact, this is what most Christian people do.

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Bio textbooks have largely disregarded the social impacts of their written theories, in the way I have tried to explain, best as I could.

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Einstein's work in Physics allowed the atom bomb to exist.Nuclear proliferation is the single biggest threat to the survival of our species, and the of the entire Earth, today.Therefore, to remain consistent, you must deny the Atomic Theory of Matter due to it's "social implications."You must deny the existence of neutrons, electrons, and atoms.You must deny all of Einstein's work because his discoveries "largely disregarded the social impacts of [his] written theories"

Two people are sitting in front of you.Both of them report feeling the emotion of love.One of them believes in God and the other one doesn't, and you can't know which is which.How can you tell which one feels "real" love and which one feels "fake" love?

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I know for myself that the love I have for others is genuine,

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Not according to Charlie.You only feel "fake" love.Only people who's love comes from a magical sky daddy feel "real" love.(Of course, he can't tell the difference between the kinds of love if he doesn't know your beliefs about God/evolution beforehand...)

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Now, even though that food is lovingly prepared, and I have an intense emotional reaction every time I eat it (I do, trust me ), it's still gonna come out the other end in a big stinky turd....

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For that sentence, Yaro, I love you more than words can express.lol!

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Special's okay, but it's all bullshit in the end, as we're ants on a matchstick, sailing in the pacific ocean. Enjoy it already. You're too young for contemplating all this crap Prophex. Why the hell should you have to figure it all out anyway? You need to check out your size man.

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You're a dot on a piece of paper ten sqillion miles2.

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It's part of growing up to realize that you aren't the center of the Universe.

A response to message #238 and #239 if you please, Prophex.I don't think you want to attract moderator attention again.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-19-2005 08:55 PM

Two people are sitting in front of you.They both report feeling the emotion of love.One of them believes in God and the other doen't, but you don't have any way of knowing which is which.How do you know which one feels "real" love and which one feels "fake" love?

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Bio textbooks have largely disregarded the social impacts of their written theories, in the way I have tried to explain, best as I could.

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Einstein's work in Physics allowed the atom bomb to exist.Nuclear proliferation is the single biggest threat to the survival of our species, and the of the entire Earth, today.Therefore, to remain consistent, you must deny the Atomic Theory of Matter due to it's "social implications."You must deny the existence of neutrons, electrons, and atoms.You must deny all of Einstein's work because his discoveries "largely disregarded the social impacts of [his] written theories"

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Most people never realize the full extent to which our perception and thinking is shaped by inherent assumptions and explicit instructions received in our upbringing. They are powerful forces, not least because they are so difficult to even recognize once ingrained in the worldview. At least the average person in this kind of place is usually thinking on a level where those concepts are recognized and dealt with.

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I completely agree....except that many people, even here, think they are not influenced by culture in certain arenas.I had a discussion was a couple of people about standards of beauty in the US.Several otherwise more or less rational people actually declared that anyone who internalizes the unrealistic female standard of beauty that is fed to us in a very constant diet from the time we are born, is stupid, and that parents should be able to combat the entire culture in the raising of children within that culture.

Shut up, cracker.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-29-2005 05:50 PM

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Sorry, I get chatty around fat broads.
Kidding!

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Oooh, lame, cracker, really lame.

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More seriously, I don't know how you would do about discerning all the biases that culture packs us full of; thus, I find the people who claim not to be biased somewhat ridiculous.

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Well, right.I mean, I know things intellectually, but my feelings about those samethings don't care much about facts.We KNOW that undeweight women are unhealthy, and we KNOW that taking steroids to get that sixpack is unhealthy, but since when do we care about health when corporate definitions of beauty are concerned?Like, I KNOW I am at a healthy weight right now.But I would FEEL so much better about my appearence if I lost another 10-15 pounds.The more I look like my culture tessl me I am supposed to look, (and many actual people tell me how great I look the more weight I lose) the better I feel about myself.I was quite healthy 10 pounds heavier, too. My doctor never said a word to me about the weight, the blood pressure and cholesterol and cardio fitness were all great.It's all cultural pressure, and it is difficult to deal with, even for me, someone who understands it completely. I'm still vulnerable.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-29-2005 06:42 PM