Evolution and Specialness of Humanity

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It's part of growing up to realize that you aren't the center of the Universe.

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Mindsets of this kind I find tragic.

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Great post Anna, profound.

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do or don't you believe us when we say that we don't feel about it this way? Do you think we are not sincere or does it mean that we are deluded or that we refuse to see the "real" implications of ToE?

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Although I intentionally avoided the judgement of those who accept the ideas of evolution, they do not realize the implications on humanity that those ideas have. It took me some time to get my point across, I believe the quot from Steven Gould really pushed it over the edge for many. Most of the posters didn't care about the hinduist influence, or how science is part of a grand illusion. Aside from Ben mentioning it.

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Either this whole negative approach exists only in your head (and the ones of people who think the same way), or it is a reality and somehow we miss the point. In which case we would act counter to your pessimistic scenario(???)

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It doesn't exist, thanks to God. (what you called a negative approach)

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For a possibly different viewpoint, can I ask you to read a Pastoral letter written by Bishop Sims? In it he explains why there is no conflict between your view of humanity as something special and the TOE.

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Did he really think it out?Sure, I'll read it, later though.

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One makes one's purpose. We choose meaning. It means... you have a lot of work to do. Instead, you're busy trying to deny your responsibility. Take a step out from behind the curtain and see if you can create the meaning for yourself.

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Yes, but my purpose is clear, and it has nothing to do with the illusion that attracts many for worldly glory.

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But would you know this? The only love you know is the love you feel. You have no way of comparing it to another kind of love, a "real" love. Besides, your "knowing" love is also fake, as is your "feeling" love.

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It's not as much the love itself, but the intentions behind the love given.

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Here you go again with the theory of absurdism that you love to pronounce. The thing that people like you and Albert Camus miss, is the beauty and meaningful existence that one can have on earth.

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lol, I was done with your post after I read

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I don't have to justify my actions of not responding directly, look at my posts, they are included. The Einstien one was not something I have responded to yet, I will later.

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This feeling, is not fake if there is no God, That is just stupid. This feeling is proven as real, whereas God is a true vacuous statement; a tautology at best. If I believe in God, I'll go to heaven.

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If there is no God, what would the feelings that you get out of the glorious mountains hold for your life, what significance exists in your feelings of glory as you contemplate the rocky peaks?

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For me, this nature is my heaven, and I don't mind dying that much, as if I did, then my feeling would be small and childish if it didn't recognise something more than itself; as the feeling will be worth even more, if in reality, it lasts forever.

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I love how you said this nature is my heaven. I have felt similar feelings on days where the wind is just right, and I can see beauty in the mountains around the hillsides, but if you died, these feelings would die with you, and your experiences would be lost to an unrealistic gap in logic, all of humanity's feelings would dwindle, and life on earth would lose all significance, besides what temporary satisfaction one can gain from it.God destroys these ideals.

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Love as a result of evolution is no less real than your physical body, which is also a product of evolution. After all, it's your body, your love, and your experience of it. No strings attached.

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But the physical holds no significance to me or my feelings. Did you read the allegory of Plato?There are never strings attached, only those of evolutionary restraint onto which meaningless beckons.

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Nothing has meaning unless it is physical.

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The world is an illusion, what exists on this earth does not have significance, God, and Yourself, your soul are the things that have significance. In hinduism, the world is temporary, in Christianity, it is temporary, in both the world becomes an illusion, where many minds and hearts are devoted searching but finding no truth. Tell me something of this earth that gives one purpose! A true purpose. The only purpose, is the one to find oneself and to find God. The afterlife gives significance! This life is a life that cries out for purpose, for meaning, Searching what is physical, and what gives one satisfaction, will not result in truth.Of course life on earth matters, everything someone does gives meaning to their future, we all shape our future. But this future is not limited to the earth as we know it. We are not to die and be buried, we are to find God, and reach Nirvana, to get to Heaven, to become glorious in knowing that we have led a good life.

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Transendance of the mind.I will probably focus on my new thread for a while, this one might get closed, or drift off.

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I can't speak for everyone, and my deconversion was nowhere near as sudden (rather long and agonizing), but I think in retrospect that the same thing has surprised me - just not so quickly. I definitely had that view, and I think it was common with the believers I knew.

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What do you believe?

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The ocean breathes salty, won't you carry it in?
In your head, in your mouth, in your soul.
And maybe we'll get lucky and we'll both grow old.
Well I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I hope so.