Mt. Ararat Anomaly

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and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

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mountains. plural.This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 02-09-2005 21:36 AM

no, the point is that it would be an AMAZING coincidence for something to be found on the modern mount ararat. there is absolutely nothing to indicate that names have anything to do with one another. for one, the bible's ararat is hebrew, and turkey's is turkish. one's a mountain range, one's a single mountain.ararat is probably not even in the range the author of genesis intended. so in order for noah's ark to be there, it'd have to be a complete coincidence that the name is exactly the same two different languages, over several thousand years, in probably two distinct places, and that the author was wrong in such a way that he was accidentally right when viewed 2600 years later.rather unlikely. but then, if you believe in miracles...also, citing wyatt will get you laughed out of any serious discussion.

not that i'm defending this stuff, but. the bible was written AFTER any supposed events. not by the people involved, if they even existed. the mountains need not be there before, or be known to noah at all. things in genesis are consistently given anachronistic names, contemporary to the authors. the tradition is "noah landed on those mountains over there, which are called ararat."oh, and notice the grammar, btw.

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Gen 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

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noah crackpots never seem to catch this bit. ararat is not the name of a mountain.

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Jer 51:27 Set ye up a standard in the land, blow the trumpet among the nations, prepare the nations against her, call together against her the kingdoms of Ararat, Minni, and Ashchenaz; appoint a captain against her; cause the horses to come up as the rough caterpillers.

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ararat is a COUNTRY. the ark came to rest on that country's mountain RANGE.the fact there is a modern mountaint (singular) named ararat is probably a fluke, or at best comes from the same word.

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we call those people "nerds."

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proof?oh, btw, i doubt that ararat bears any connection to the hebrew word for mountain -- it doesn't have the right consonants. the word for mountain is as in ’ "har megiddo" for armageddon. it does get rendered as ar- something in english, but ararat is spelled in hebrew. it starts with an alef, not a heh.for it to mean "mount something" in hebrew it's have to be , but if i wanted to say highest mountain, i'd write see the difference?the text clearly says also "the mountains of ararat." saying mount agains would be redundant. look: . now, you might be able to argue that maybe if it REALLY said mountains plural, it'd say "harIM ararat" instead of "hari ararat." and you might have a case. but ararat is still clearly not the mountain itself, but the country that contains it.this is further proven by this verse, which you overlooked:

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Jer 51:27 Set ye up a standard in the land, blow the trumpet among the nations, prepare the nations against her, call together against her the kingdoms of Ararat, Minni, and Ashchenaz; appoint a captain against her; cause the horses to come up as the rough caterpillers

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ararat is a kingdom. not a mountain.This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 09-15-2005 01:22 AM

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the rule is to never, ever trust strongs to tell you what a proper noun means. strong's is not a bible dictionary, and should not be used as one. it likes to have things that are obviously biased and sometimes downright silly as best guesses for what proper nouns "were." instead, concentrate on what things means.strong's is a CONCORDANCE, which means it's a listing of where words occur in the bible in their root words. you can often use CONTEXT to figure out the definition.and the context of the other usage of "ararat" tells me it's a kingdom, not a mountain. i don't really need to hear what dr. strong or rather one or his later contributers THOUGHT it means.

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thank you. i'm working on figuring out why it says הרי אררט instead of הר באררט which is how i would say "a mountain in (the country of) ararat." or ההרים באררט which is how i'd say "the mountains in (the country of) ararat."learning grammar is so slow going...apparently when you want to say the "mountain range of (country)" you says ______ הרי although i'm not sure why that is.for instance, 2 sam 1:21: הָרֵי בַגִּלְבֹּעַ "mountains of gilboa" or 2 chron 21:11 בְּהָרֵי יְהוּדָה "in the mountains of judah"additionally, amlodhi made an old post to the effect of:

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— (al harai Ararat) = "upon the mountains of Ararat"

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(harai) is in the plural construct form = "mountains of . . ."

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If a single mountain were meant, the singular construct would be used. Which, in this case, is identical with the singular absolute, i.e. simply "har".

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Thus, the verse says that the ark came to rest upon the mountains of Ararat, indicating a region rather than a particular mountain.

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Amlodhi

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This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 09-15-2005 11:16 PM

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ron wyatt, god rest his loonie soul, is not currently doing anything other than growing grass.

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that puts it mildly. i would have used the term "crackpot" or maybe "charlatan."i only know anything about him at all because we've debated a few wyatt junkies here. it's fun stuff. Headed way OT. Let's stick to the Mt. Araraat Anolaly and let Ron rest in peace.This message has been edited by AdminJar, 03-09-2006 08:06 PM

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