The politics of assassination

I cannot believe the audacity you have. You are putting Chavez in the same realm as Adolf Hitler. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? We did try to assassinate Hitler. Most of the world was at war with him. Chavez is a populist, leftist leader of a major oil producing country. Oil companies hate him.Quit trying to colour the conversation here, by trying to justify Robertson, by equating what he said to what we may have done to Adolf Hitler. It is reprehensible.

Why do you assume it is oneupmanship? Is he incapable of doing something humanitarian, because he is a leftist? Read about him, learn about him. He isn't perfect but a hell of a lot better than a lot of our politicans. More importantly. The majority of his people support him.

Typical of people who believe things blindly. Just like Pres Bush and his cohorts. If you say it enough times it becomes true doesnt it.Again you have been shown wrong. Please, please check the facts before making these bold statements. You know someone here will research and get the truth.

Hate to burst your bubble Faith. Well actually I love to.

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The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers - two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.

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This comes from Religious beliefs of the Founding Fatherswhich also has other info on the beliefs of the founding fathers.Faith,
Do you have any idea when "in God We Trust" was put on US currency? Try 1956 during McCarthyism when we were opposing the "godless" communists.

Using Woodrow Wilson, Harry Truman and Abraham Lincoln as arguments for the intent of the founding fathers is like having Bill Clinton and George Bush arguing the same thing.THEY ARE NOT FOUNDING FATHERS.In order to refute me you have to use the founding fathers. What was the country truly founded on? Not some interpretation by someone who came later.The preacher was wrong. That is a fact.By the way I thought you promised to change that offensive signature line. Maybe you can come up with another spurious quote.

No one ever said that none of the founding fathers were christian. Most were, but what we are saying is that the USA was not founded as a christian nation. If it were do you not think it would be in the constitution.Andrew Jackson(not a founding father)

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I could not do otherwise without transcending the limits prescribed by the Constitution for the President and without feeling that I might in some degree disturb the security which religion nowadays enjoys in this country in its complete separation form the political concerns of the General Government.

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(letter explaining his refusal to proclaim a national day of, among other things, prayer.) He was very religious but understood the limitations.John Quincy Adams (not a founding father)

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There are in this country, as in all others, a certain proportion of restless and turbulent spirits - poor, unoccupied, ambitious - who must always have something to quarrel about with their neighbors. These people are the authors of religious revivals.

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James Madison - That quote mean nothing to your argument. There is no mention of christianity. As many the founding fathers he was a Deist(View that reason, not revelation or tradition, should be the basis in belief in God). This is a very tyical way to expres this beliefAbraham Lincoln. This quote also does nothing to buttress your argument that USA was founded as a christian nation. Was he a christian? Yes, never argued he wasnt.Harry Truman - This is his opinion. Look at what a founding father said. * Letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper (February 10, 1814)Woodrow Wilson - again this has nothing to do with the founding of the USA. His opinions his religious belief

Faith,Have you read the treaty? Or are you just aping fundamentalist dogma? Seems pretty unambiguous. As I said to Tal, where is christianity in the constitution? Oh please enlghten me. I would love to hear your arguments that the average person expected that they were a Christian nation. OH and please tell me how fundamentalist the vast majority of people were.

Again Tal,I want to say that no one is arguing that a vast majority of them were christians, but there was no intent to ahve a christian nation. To call on Benajmin Franklin shows your total lack in history. Do some research on the man. Again this quote does not address christianity.DO you know Mary Todd Lincoln said "Mr. Lincoln was not a Christian"Patrick Henry was a very strong fundamentalist christian. He supported the Episcopalian church to be the official church of the state of virginia. Others including James Madison defeated this. Read more about dear old Patrick before you decide he is your lightning rod. He also made strong arguments for religious tolerance.JOhn Jay was also extremely religious. Again I ask how does this quote do any more than express an opinion of the author.

OK Tal, I will make it easy now. If you make a statement you must provide proof. Please provide evidence that the Founding Fathers were born again christians. Just because a preacher said so does not make it true. The statement implies that all were, but if you can show me that 1/2 were I will give you the argument. Even if they were it wouldn't mke us a christian nation. Again, I wll state that our laws are based on the Constitution. Where in there does it mention a god or christianity.Finally, it doesn't matter what you think. Whether we are a Christian nation is based upon law and tradition. Neither shows us to be a Christian Nation. Are we a nation made up primarily of christians? Yes. ANd if we were a Christain nation, whose version of christianity do you think we should follow? Yours?

Faith, Can you explain?

SO the hell with the Catholics and Lutherans. Do we deport all the followers of Muhammed, Hindi and Jews? Or just make them follow christian laws?

So Chavez deserves death? What did he do? I am so confused.

Tal,You can't just make a statement and not back it up. YOu have to have evidence. I have shown why your quotes do not back up your assertion and I think most people on this thread would agree with me. THis is typical for you. Spout fudie rhetoric and have no evidence that back s up your argument. You pretend to provide it, but it doesnt really exist.

Ok Tal, I give up. There is no way you are going to consider for a second tht you are not backing up your argument. COntinue to believe things blindly, evidently it has gotten you this far.

yes they were more or less christian but they were not fundies. As proven by their lives and correspondence.