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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Also, couldn't help but notice that you quoted Abe Lincoln.
Funny how you're tag is anti-gay, but you'll site a gay reference when it suits you
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
That's a very bigotted comment.
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
This, however, doesn't make us a "Christian Nation".
It does in my mind, but my original intent was to counter this statement.
a preacher tried to tell me that America was founded on Christianity, and that the founding fathers were born-again Christians And I have done so. Tired of the opposite sex? Want to turn your favorite football player into a raging homsexual? Then purchase your Gay-Gene Cattle Prod! One Zap from the GGCP will turn the Gay Gene off or on at your whim. So if you want your wife to get some hot girl on girl action, the Gay-Gene Cattle Prod is for you! *not intended for use on children*
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Though Pat is not a particular favorite of mine I'm beginning to think he will get a nice welcome from Jesus for suffering persecution for His name.
Excuse me? Are we talking about the same Jesus? You know, the one who said to turn the other cheek, and to love your neighbor? Assassination as a valid alternative to all-out war, while a queesy subject, is worth being discussed in the military. However, A Christian Minister should never be advocating murder, regardless of the reasons. Obviously this hinges on the meaning of the term "murder." Some killing is just and not prohibited but even commanded by God, such as the execution of murderers and other violators of His Law. These days people have things so upside down about the commandment not to kill that they indignantly object to executing murderers, which is a rebellion against God's commandment and tramples the rights and honor of the murdered innocents. You also confuse God's commands to the individual to "turn the other cheek" with His clear commands about how to run a nation. And please tell me how it is loving one's neighbor to justify the guilty and ignore the claims of the innocent who are oppressed by the guilty?
Robertson isn't taking heat becuase he mentioned assassination - he's taking heat because, as a Christian minister, he said some very un-Christian things. He's straight-up supporting a direct violation of one of the Ten Commandments, not to mention everything Jesus stood for. There are many reasons he is taking heat and yours is just another to add to the collection. However, it is you who are in violation of the Ten Commandments if you refuse to support the execution of a violator of those commandments according to God's own Law. {EDIT: I don't have a clear opinion about assassination myself, or any particular assassination yet either, I'm merely making a general point here. This message has been edited by Faith, 08-26-2005 01:30 PM
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
OK Tal, I will make it easy now. If you make a statement you must provide proof. Please provide evidence that the Founding Fathers were born again christians. Just because a preacher said so does not make it true. The statement implies that all were, but if you can show me that 1/2 were I will give you the argument. Even if they were it wouldn't mke us a christian nation. Again, I wll state that our laws are based on the Constitution. Where in there does it mention a god or christianity.
Finally, it doesn't matter what you think. Whether we are a Christian nation is based upon law and tradition. Neither shows us to be a Christian Nation. Are we a nation made up primarily of christians? Yes. ANd if we were a Christain nation, whose version of christianity do you think we should follow? Yours?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
However, it is you who are in violation of the Ten Commandments if you refuse to support the execution of a violator of those commandments according to God's own Laws Faith, Can you explain?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes. ANd if we were a Christain nation, whose version of christianity do you think we should follow? Yours? The Calvinist Christianity of the vast majority of Americans at the time of the founding is what the nation should follow. It was they who thought the Constitution supported their interests and protected their religion, they who supported the First Amendment because they thought it promised that kind of protection and support. In fact they were the source of the very idea of religious tolerance, poor betrayed people.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Some killing is just and not prohibited but even commanded by God, such as...... .....killing all the perfectly innocent children (or just the male ones) of some neighboring nation whose land you'd like to take. Yeah.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
We're all saying YES or NO to "We're a Christian Nation". But we haven't defined what that term means.
Tal says he believes we are a Christian Nation. What does that mean to you, Tal. Are we a nation ruled by Biblical Law (like the Muslim Nations are ruled the Koran?) Are we a nation who has a large number of Christians living here? Let's figure out what we are arguing about before we start pulling quotes that may or may not be relivent.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
SO the hell with the Catholics and Lutherans. Do we deport all the followers of Muhammed, Hindi and Jews? Or just make them follow christian laws?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Some killing is just and not prohibited but even commanded by God, such as the execution of murderers and other violators of His Law. These days people have things so upside down about the commandment not to kill that they indignantly object to executing murderers Which God? OT or NT? Seems like OT G was big on the killing. Kill everyone for every crime. Faith, weren't you the one talking about throwing the first stone. Have you actually read that part of the Bible? Seems like you are contradicting yourself
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
If you make a statement you must provide proof. Please provide evidence that the Founding Fathers were born again christians. I already provided you a bunch of quotes. Can we reasonably assume from those quotes that they were born again christians? I say yes. Can we prove it? No. Tired of the opposite sex? Want to turn your favorite football player into a raging homsexual? Then purchase your Gay-Gene Cattle Prod! One Zap from the GGCP will turn the Gay Gene off or on at your whim. So if you want your wife to get some hot girl on girl action, the Gay-Gene Cattle Prod is for you! *not intended for use on children*
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
There are many reasons he is taking heat and yours is just another to add to the collection. However, it is you who are in violation of the Ten Commandments if you refuse to support the execution of a violator of those commandments according to God's own Law.
We're getting off topic, so I'm going to start a Death Penalty thread for this stuff.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
God called for the execution of violators of His Laws, but today's prissy Christians turn God's laws upside down and call it a violation of His law to execute violators of His law. They insist that "thou shalt not kill" prohibits the state from the just execution of the GUILTY, that is, violators of the Law, rather than a command against the murder of INNOCENTS. It seems obvious to me but people seem to be so attracted to their false idea of mercy as tolerating every kind of evil thing, and they even impute that to Jesus.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
So Chavez deserves death? What did he do? I am so confused.
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