hoaryhead: evidence and logic please.

In answer to hoaryhead's (off-topic) post on {Which came first: the young earth, or the inerrant scripture?}msg 37Can you show us the fossil evidence for humans being the oldest lifeform?Can you show us fossil evidence for humans older than dinosaurs?Can you show us fossil evidence of humans being virtually unchanged in time and existant in every age that any other life is found in?In other words, you have made an assertion: now provide the evidence that makes it a legitimate conclusion. So the evidence that is provided by god by his action contradicts the human record of his words.What is the logical conclusion from that premise? You have yet to demonstrate that (1) you are informed and (2) that others are uninformed. Using knowledge of the bible would only mean relative to the bible and not to the rest of the universe. In other words, the "word" of the bible either (1) can be interpreted to mean whatever you want at the time or (2) are so couched in mystic misrepresentation that none of the words mean what they mean. This holds for the daze of creation as well.

and msg 15, same thread: Show that there math was correct. Given that the calendar based on the biblical theoretical birth of christs is wrong by several years, and that is dealing with historical times where there are other written records for coomparison. Demonstrate that a high level of accuracy is used in these calculations.Correlate {biblical} dates with dates known from other historical records where-ever possible.Enjoy.

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by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Even if their math is correct within the context of the Bible, it's still flat out silly to suggest that the world is 4000 years old.On a side note, using the Harry Potter series, I have calculated the size of the Earth to be approx. 956 square miles.Both books are based on magic, I think my calculation carries just as much weight.

the math is based on so many assumptions that it is ludicrous.then there is the issue of cross-referencing dates with evidence.

How do they explain the fact that the Chinese history predates biblical timeline?

Simple. The Bible is talking about humans, meaning White mid-western Christians. The Chinese don't count.

They would argue that non-biblical chronologies are inaccurate and based on faulty procedures.14c is not reliable in their eyes, but an ancient text that has been edited to death is extremely reliable. Brian.

that's the issue of cross-referencing.and we haven't even started with verifying the age issue and the correlations of dating methods.

Someone needs to run something throught the "Proposed New Topics" process.Adminnemooseus

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Consider the topic closed.AdminnemooseusThis message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 08-26-2005 12:32 PM

For RAZD:1) Can you show fossil evidence for man before beast?
Absolutely not!
But carbon-dating changes every year; God never changes.
The world is full of debates about fossil evidence.
The Bible has been proven accurate with the predicted downfall of all nations mentioned.
Judah - 588 BC. Babylon (2 falls) - 539 & 518 BC.
Persia - 331 BC. Greece - 167 BC. Rome - 478 BC.
Constantinople - AD 1453. Papal States - AD 1870.
Ottoman Empire - AD 1918. Millennium murdered off - AD 1959.
Beast & False Prophet into the lake of fire (Rev 20.10) - going on today; and for last several years.2) Prove you have a legitimate assertion.
All of the afore mentioned proofs of other parts of the Bible are proof that the statement "man formed before the beast" is true.3) So the evidence that is provided by God by His action counterdicts the human record of his words.
You do not know God's words; how can you claim this to be true?
But,what you have termed "the evidence by His actions" is the subject of debate; but you have declared it settled.
This "contested evidence" is fossil speculation and carbon-dating.
These are not God's works.4) You make the Bible say whatever you want it to say, such as, "beasts = nations."
Genesis 49; Judah was a lion's whelp; Dan was a serpent, Benjamin was a wolf, Issachar was a donkey, and educated men have been aware of these facts for over 3000 years.
So I did not force any interpretation.For RAZD:
Why does The Theory of Evolution change every year?
Why does carbon-dating change every year?
Will the speculatiions ever "level-off"?5) Learning to count. This is only a summary.
Fall of Judah - 588 BC.
502.5 years of reign of kings of Israel - 1090 BC.
Samuel judged Israel 20 years - 1110 BC.
450 years of Judges - 1560 BC.
Driving 7 nations from Canaan -1594 BC.
41 years in wilderness - 1635 BC.
430 Years of sojourning, in Canaan 215 years, and in Egypt (215) -2065 BC.
And, you should be able to add up the genealogies.hoaryhead

Please supply the passages in your bible fo the following. Evidently the bibles I have read are missing a bunch of passages.Also, DO you know anythig about this or are you just aping statements you have heard? Please supply proof or references.