The politics of assassination

The U.S. Government has taken out democratically elected rulers, captured Saddam, tryed to kill Castro, the hero of Cuba at the time. I wouldn't be surprised if our government continued on our greedy self-centered path. We are NOT an Idealistic nation, We have been Realist since the beginning, and with this latest Oil Crisis, I don't thing we will improve. We are out for ourselves, unable to give up our luxuries, for millions who don't have what we have. We occupy Islamic holy cities and wonder why we get "terrorized". I'm not wondering.This guy is a prominent Christian leader, he misrepresents the Christ, he is a false prophet...

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Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

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Matthew 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

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Mark 13:22 - For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

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Luke 6:26 - Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

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2 Peter 2:1 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

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1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

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porteus@gmail.com

Faith, You're assuming that we as the United States are somehow superior, or righteous. I sense a pride of your country probably gathered through the "CNN Effect", or Christians that think that America is the land of the plenty. We are in the land of money, greed, and it's quite a rat race indeed. This standard Capitalism, run on materialistically fueled politics, and policies does not benefit humans that are equally deserving as we.If only we could put aside these desires, no more war, no more senseless killings, no more of this immediate gratification. America wouldn't be willing to put away our things, and our aspirations of being able to own more stuff. I would put away these useless things, these luxuries, I would live like a beggar, to see lives of those that have died for these things to be back on Earth. Revolutions have been sparked in our history to combat colonization, exploitation, and wealthy militaristic powers. We deny these people the rights that we have had for all this time. Our country tears apart families, and kills for us. Let's not give them reason to.

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Not for any American President unless we manage to elect a true Hitler, in which case the less said in public the better.

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Hitler was the epitome of a Realist leader... What's wrong with lacking essential morality, idealism? We don't have much of that in our country today, so why do you object to Hitler as an extremist?

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porteus@gmail.com

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I'm merely not willing to condemn him for a foolish political statement as some are.

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Calling for an assasination is not just a "foolish political statement", it's a sin against the society that he pretends to be apart of, its a crime against humanity. Hopefully noone listens to this idiot, or sympathizes with his view as you seem to be.

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porteus@gmail.com

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Like the whole of the Moral Majority, like everyone associated with the 700 Club, Pat Robertson is an actor, attitudinizer, backslider, bigot, casuist, charlatan, cheat, con man, crook, deceiver, decoy, dissembler, dissimulator, fake, faker, four-flusher, fraud, hook, humbug, imposter, impostor, informer, lip server, malingerer, masquerader, mountebank, pharisee, phony, playactor, poser, pretender, quack, sham, sharper, smoothie, sophist, stool pigeon, swindler, trickster, two-face, two-timer, whited sepulcher.
He has even less chance of salvation than most Christians.

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Master Thyself.

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porteus@gmail.com

The thing is, to tell you the truth, I feel sorry for Pat Robertson, he's an old dood. He probably got carried away or something... People don't deserve to be treated like this, to be totally insulted when they say something they apparently regret, or didn't mean. Although I don't agree with stuff he says, I can't help but regret calling him an idiot, and allowing myself to judge him. He's just a man, just some guy, who cares?

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porteus@gmail.com

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What gives you such a sense of your own moral superiority that you feel free to pass judgment on the entire nation anyway? That's the problem with the Left. They are prissily holier-than-thou on all the wrong things, have no idea what it means to give the benefit of the doubt, and have no basic perspective on human nature or what's truly good and bad in a fallen world. I get tired of the way you all look down your noses at mere human beings as if you were god yourself. Grow up kid.

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What gives you such a sense of your own moral superiority that you feel free to pass judgment on the entire nation anyway?

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Sorry about that seriously, sometimes I get a little crazy with my posts here, and I forget about the splinter in my eye. Don't ignore the obvious issues with our nation, we are as Rome was, we are spoiled, and we don't care about the rest of the "underpriveledged" world. Well, wait, we do care, we care about the stuff that we can get from the rest of the world.But that doesn't mean I'll ignore the substance in your reply.

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That's the problem with the Left. They are prissily holier-than-thou on all the wrong things, have no idea what it means to give the benefit of the doubt, and have no basic perspective on human nature or what's truly good and bad in a fallen world.

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Stop generalizing here, you are hypocritically not giving those who you call the "left" the "benefit of the doubt".

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I get tired of the way you all look down your noses at mere human beings as if you were god yourself.

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Seems to me, that you do the same thing to the "left". Again...

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porteus@gmail.com

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Gotta love it when one of the "I'm saved, you're not" crowd tells you that you are "holier than thou". Too funny.

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You know, you're exactly like Faith in your posting. That's funny!back and forthback and forthSo tell me who's better again? The Left, or The Right?

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porteus@gmail.com

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That is such a crock. America is the biggest all time giver of aid of every kind to the rest of the world, both as a government and as individual citizens.

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"biggest all time giver of aide of every kind"Really? Because recently aide was given to Africa in a project developed by Bush and Blair, and African officials were stated as saying that we were sort of "holding out". Considering Britain, a far inferior country economically gave more money to the project.Can you provide statistics?We are the wealthiest country, wouldn't you think we COULD give more?We also fund our soldiers to slaughter people living in IRAQ, is that a contradiction? We give arms to Israel to slaughter Palestinians, is that a contradiction? AMERICA IS NOT DOING THINGS FOR OTHERS, WE DESTROY OTHERS, OUR PEOPLE COULD CARE LESS, I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE HERE IN NEW YORK, A "BLUE" STATE, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT BOMBING THE MIDDLE EAST. We are not worthy of your praise, stop please.Stop saying stuff like "That's BS", and "That's a Crock", and provide me with some evidence, or at least a viable opinion!

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porteus@gmail.com

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I believe it is more true of America in the past than it is now, but it is true that historically America has always been the leader in aid to the entire world of every sort. I believe it comes out of our previous identity as a Christian nation and was modeled on the missionary work that was also a big American project though done by individuals and churches and not the government.

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You seem to be fitting the world around your Christian beliefs... It's quite common, unfortunately, a preacher tried to tell me that America was founded on Christianity, and that the founding fathers were born-again Christians. Education in History is key sometimes, as you have shown in your posts that are consistently wrong, and workings around what you believe. America was developed with "The Enlightenment" in mind, not Christ.I have already told you that we are not the largest giver of aide in past replys, its just so obvious. And now that Phatboy has reiterated it, you backtrack.I also have already said that Pat R. doesn't deserve this bashing of a thread. You were a little late on the post there. I just don't get why you keep saying lies about history to defend your position, it doesn't work like that. You form your stance around history, you don't form history around your stance.

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previous identity as a Christian nation

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Doesn't exist. Read the Constitution.

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porteus@gmail.com

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Gee, I wonder why anyone would think they were christains?

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Wow Edit for inappropriate post.But you really know very little about history. Global History class for a year schooled you.This message has been edited by prophex, 08-26-2005 07:53 PM

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Some Christians, myself included, would dispute your position on marality, Faith. I don'r believe God actually committed any of the horrible acts described in the Bible - I believe they were misconceptions and embellished stories made by the authors. Some, I believe were nothing more than made-up fables to prove a point.

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The murder of the Egyptian Firstborn, the destruction of Soddom and Gamorrah - I don't believe God would do such things, and there is no evidence that He DID outside of the Bible itself. The killing of every man, woman and child in the various nations the Hebrews took over was certainly no command of the God I believe in - I believe the killing was simply an act of overzealous soldiers, and the Hebrews later attributed the act to God's Will as a justification for their bloodlust.

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So, you took the easy way out. It's like refusing to attempt to understand such a complex God, so you take the route of carelessness, and you lost your passion to know more about your creator. Not only does it take a great leap of faith to believe the sometimes unexplainable stories in the Torah/Old Testament, but it takes a great deal of study. To wrap your mind around such a God seems impossible, I know. Check - NIV: Exodus 4:21The LORD said to Moses,When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go. Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son, and I told you, Let my son go, so he may worship me. But you refused to let him go; so I will kill your firstborn son.’As an example of many times in EXODUS where the Lord breached the Pharaoh’s free will. Not only is this confusing, but because of God’s breach, hundreds maybe thousands of Egyptians reportedly died from plagues, and killings caused by the hardening of Pharaoh’s heart.Is God somehow responsible for these acts?Should we question our God’s divine ability to judge?People tell me that I can’t understand God, that he is unfathomable. But everything I have learned of God tells me that these acts aren’t good. That they are in fact, atrocities... A common reaction, God isn’t human, this to mankind seems inexcusable, but to God is slight, and means nothing. The after life is what matters to God, what happens on earth is insignificant, those lives were judged, and they, and who affected by them were erased. But then why do I love those who are on earth no longer? Why do I care? Are these human responses, that God does not feel? I would hate for it to be like that, I want my God to care, to love, and to feel devastated at the death of someone close to me, or close to anyone.It seems that because of these qualities of God, things written that seem so disgraceful and malignant to humanity, must have been acceptable, normal, right, reasonable to God. This makes a relationship with my creator very difficult, almost impossible. How can I relate to a being that seems unfeeling, out of this world? Deaths attributed to God in the Bible can’t be simply excused by me, I can’t accept these people destroyed... I won’t.Christ is a part of my being, yet these things are in my God. I’ve thought about this for a very long time, only weakening myself. Bringing me apart from my beliefs that were given to me when I was very young through fear.The Torah God sometimes seems like a totally different God than the Jesus of the New Testament, but Jesus referenced the Torah many times using scripture.I still try to get God, but the answers theologians give me about "God gives life, he can take it" don't satisfy me, don't give up.

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I, and many other Christians, certainly don't believe that an otherwise evil act is somehow magically "good" or "justice" simply becuase an all-powerful deity does it. I believe God is defined as good because He only DOES good - not that all acts He does are defined as good becasue He did them.

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This again eliminates the thinking behind each hidden meaning, behind each greater good.

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porteus@gmail.com

Iight.

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