The politics of assassination

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I'm merely not willing to condemn him for a foolish political statement as some are.

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Calling for an assasination is not just a "foolish political statement", it's a sin against the society that he pretends to be apart of, its a crime against humanity. Hopefully noone listens to this idiot, or sympathizes with his view as you seem to be.

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Like the whole of the Moral Majority, like everyone associated with the 700 Club, Pat Robertson is an actor, attitudinizer, backslider, bigot, casuist, charlatan, cheat, con man, crook, deceiver, decoy, dissembler, dissimulator, fake, faker, four-flusher, fraud, hook, humbug, imposter, impostor, informer, lip server, malingerer, masquerader, mountebank, pharisee, phony, playactor, poser, pretender, quack, sham, sharper, smoothie, sophist, stool pigeon, swindler, trickster, two-face, two-timer, whited sepulcher.He has even less chance of salvation than most Christians.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Ditto to Faith's point on Robertson not being a corrupt TV ministry.The fact is the Left preaches big about separation of Church and State, and not judging religion by politics, but then demonizes a man for his political position.If you disagree with Robertson's politics, fine. That doesn't make him a bad man, nor that he is even wrong.I think he sometimes shows a penchant for putting his foot in his mouth, but at the same time I wonder how many posters would not do the same with that sort of public TV exposure.

Total unsubstantaited horse manure.Lemme ask you something. Is Jimmy Carter a good man or the types of things you say about Robertson?Both men are politically active, but it seems the one from your side of the fence is a good man in the Left's eyes, but a conservative is going to hell, eh?I think most Americans can see through such false accusations.

President Carter was an inept politician but yes, he's a good man.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Faith, you really do give your nick a bad name.Lessee, so far we have you on record as having warm fuzzy feelings for racist slavery deniers, and now murder-urging preachers?Is there any moral contagion you won't overlook as long as it claims the name of Jesus? Do you have any idea what a morally bankrupt, crankpot portrait you paint of yourself?Oh, and randman, really--it might be wrong? His real mistake was speaking like that in public? Sort of like Billy "Jew Baitin' for Jesus" Graham getting caught on tape in the White House?You two should get a room and a victim.Well, never stop--you both do more to expose the religous right's hypocrisy than your most eloquent opponent.

Pat Robertson does not ask for donations?

I agree. Just like the Bush admin policy that torture is okay and that holding people without charge is okay.The key to being the "good guys" is acting like the good guys.

Wow, you really don't understand the concept behind separation of Church and State.From a strict standpoint one would say, Robertson, as a head of a religeous community, should not be trying to dictate foreign policy.However, as an American, it's his right to say what he wants.When we argue seperation of Church and State what we are really saying is: "Just because most of you call yourselves Christians doesn't mean you can use the government to cram it down everyone else's throat."

He started habitat for Humanity. Robertson called for the assassination of a democratically elected foreign leader.Of course, it's because Carter is on the left that we support him.You obviously don't read what we're writing, do you at least read what you are writing?

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Like the whole of the Moral Majority, like everyone associated with the 700 Club, Pat Robertson is an actor, attitudinizer, backslider, bigot, casuist, charlatan, cheat, con man, crook, deceiver, decoy, dissembler, dissimulator, fake, faker, four-flusher, fraud, hook, humbug, imposter, impostor, informer, lip server, malingerer, masquerader, mountebank, pharisee, phony, playactor, poser, pretender, quack, sham, sharper, smoothie, sophist, stool pigeon, swindler, trickster, two-face, two-timer, whited sepulcher.
He has even less chance of salvation than most Christians.

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Master Thyself.

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porteus@gmail.com

Let me ask you a moral question. Answer and you have done more than just point the finger. Shrink from it, and you are shown to be a hypocrite.Would it have been right to assissinate Hitler to protect the Jews? For sake of discussion, assume you knew that Hitler was going to kill millions of people or was in fact beginning to round them up and do so.That's the main question, but a secondary question is:Would Jesus have shot Hitler?I admit I hold a sort of paradoxical position, or maybe one that is morally inconsistent. It strikes me it would have been morally right to kill Hitler to save the Jews and other victims from the death camps.On the other hand, it seems to me that this is not something Jesus would do.Now, putting aside whether Chavez is the bad guy Robertson thinks he is. (I addressed this already in another post). If he believes he is an oppressor and murderer of people and a threat to the region, and let's just say he was as bad as Hitler or Stalin, our ally, for sake of argument, would it be right to kill him to save lives or not?Why don't you tell us what you think the moral decision would be, and the Christian one?Keep in mind that I already stated I disagreed with Robertson's views here and think he is wrong. I just am not willing to judge him as evil or something for holding differing political views.I also think, as Christians, there is some ambiguity as when violence is ever acceptable. I think a cop shooting a rapist attacking a woman is acceptable, for example, and believe state's have a right to use violence for justice.Some others like pacifist Christians would disagree.This message has been edited by randman, 08-25-2005 10:31 PM

Huh? What a bunch of self-righteous BS. CNN effect? I never watch it. OR Pat Robertson. But I have a healthy appreciation for the basic goodness of America. What gives you such a sense of your own moral superiority that you feel free to pass judgment on the entire nation anyway? That's the problem with the Left. They are prissily holier-than-thou on all the wrong things, have no idea what it means to give the benefit of the doubt, and have no basic perspective on human nature or what's truly good and bad in a fallen world. I get tired of the way you all look down your noses at mere human beings as if you were god yourself. Grow up kid.

I don't know anything about Chavez.{Edit: But the offer to sell cheap fuel to poor Americans is obviously nothing but oneupmanship.This message has been edited by Faith, 08-25-2005 10:42 PM

The thing is, to tell you the truth, I feel sorry for Pat Robertson, he's an old dood. He probably got carried away or something... People don't deserve to be treated like this, to be totally insulted when they say something they apparently regret, or didn't mean. Although I don't agree with stuff he says, I can't help but regret calling him an idiot, and allowing myself to judge him. He's just a man, just some guy, who cares?

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