Hyper evolution in the bible

Evolution, if any at all did occur, is no longer a mystery. The bible talks about God planting a garden, then, in a few days, all animals and men on earth were eating it. that is fast growth. When the spiritual is merged with the physical this is how it can work. Look at Noah, the on the boat, I believe it was a year and ten days. How did the animals eat when they got off? Plants grew quicker. The crow found nothing, but a week or whatever later, and the bird sent out had a live olive branch. It could not have survived a year under water, so must have grown quickly. Aaron's rod budded, and even bore almonds in a hurry as well, further proof that when not in a physical only envrioment, this can happen.
Then there was the king turned into a beast who ate grass for several years, on all fours. Did not take millions of years! These are some examples of very fast adaption, or some might say hyper evolution.
The key is the spiritual as well as the physical was at work. In our present situation, only the physical is at work, and this would be impossible, as would man living almost a thousand years, let alone forever! This indicates that there was some merge in the past, or that it is all a pack of....well, fables.

No interpretaion really needed here. He planted a garden, we know this.
" And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.When did He do this? On the third day. "12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. "
And, on day 5 and six, came men and beast. So, out of the ground, it grew pretty quickly!
This is not twisting, or controversial or arbitrary. It is the simple truth of what the bible has to say.
The other things I mentioned as well show that in a merged world, with the spiritual and physical, this is how it works. Now you can disbelieve the bible, fine, but you cannot say it did not work this way.
Since we now know that hyper evolution could happen quickly, the bible embraces science, and any rapid adaptation it may require. Yet, we can now go back to teaching children the proper timeframe of the bible, as part of science, and creation as well.

quote:

---

Of course we can. It never happened that way.

---

Well, if God did not plant a garden that grew for man, how did it happen, where did I go wrong in reading the bible here?

quote:

---

. If though you want to assert it happened as a fact, then you need to provide the evidence.

---

For starters, many people accept the bible as evidence. Is there any reason therin you could disagree with? People do have a right to believe, as you say, just as some have a right to believe in only the physical, but not a right to cram it down the throats of kids. The bible does tell us of growth not possible in a physical only world. Nothing physical only science can do to disprove this, as it is true. Therefore any adaptation or what some call evolution is covered by the bible, in the 6000 years timeframe. It cannot be disproved, and that there always was only the physical, cannot be proved.

quote:

---

You can as long as you understand that you are teaching something that is false.

---

I am happy to announce that this can no longer be said with any authority. Anthing you could possibly base support to back up your statement would be physical only, and under the assumption this was all there ever was. That assumption is absolutely a belief, and nothing more. God's word also is a belief, but has evidences galore.

quote:

---

Your "merged world" is not found in the Bible. That's the part that's your interpretation - your invention, in fact.

---

Without the addition to the physical of the spiritual, or merge, we would not be able to live forever, it is impossible. God's garden would not be able to have grown into tall trees in 2 days, in eden. (Actually it says east of eden-I wonder if eden could have been the nearby sea? I'll have to look into that). Aaron's rod could not have budded, even growing almonds! Jesus could not have His risen spirit/physical eternal body. A merge of the two. Noah and his animals would have a hard time eating after the waters receeded. But we see the bird brought a fresh olive twig with leaves on it, that had grown in the days (literally) since the waters went down somewhat, from totally covering the earth for many months! Etc.
The bible talks of both, and even both together at times, you cannot deny it. Don't try to give me the blame or credit for it.

quote:

---

When you can provide some evidence that the Garden of Eden ever existed, then we can discuss that.

---

When you can provide any it didn't just let us know. Here, however, we are looking at what the bible says about it, and not what a religious belief system of faith only in the physical has to say about it! Can you agree at least, whatever you believe, that the bible does tell of things growing fast, basically hyper evoluting?
If so, we can move a little further.

quote:

---

That's fine as long as it's a personal belief, but it falls apart theologically or scientificly when you try to say that it's fact

---

Not in the least! Really! Physical only science can say diddly about it at all, for sure! And, theologically, it stands as the best by far, compared to the compromise bible theories. He planted a garden, in 2 or 3 days trees were there, and we were eating them. The only so called theological challenge is not that the bible says this, and many other similar things, but that some do not believe it.

quote:

---

It is only when they try to support such a belief as fact that things fall apart

---

No, it stands like the rock of Gibraltar. It is physical only based science that falls flat as a flounder when it tries to use todays physical only processes to dream up a future where the sun will burn out, or a past where some lifeform magically appeared.
In this thread, the bible is admissable as evidence.

quote:

---

Fast growth does not equal "hyper"-evolution

---

But for things to rapidly adapt, they must be able to have similar extrordinary qualities. I think I also gave the example of king Nebuchanezzar who was changed into a beast, ate grass like an ox for seven years, then was hyper changed back to a man. The tree of life by the river of life in the golden city has 12 different kinds of fruit. Every month of the year, it has a different kind. This is not possible to change or keep evolving rapidly, if you prefer, in this physical world! Again, the spiritual is needed, not only the physical.

quote:

---

In this thread, the bible is admissable as evidence.

​

Yes it is, and it carries exactly the same weight of evidence as ...

---

As, .. a belief that all that ever will exist is a physical only universe. Well, more, actually, because it has witnessed miracles, and documented prophesies, and it is alive, and works for hundreds of millions of people today.

quote:

---

Possibility is not, apparently, a prerequisite for inclusion in the Bible. The Bible describes the occurances of plenty that is impossible.

---

Possibility limited to a physical only universe is just that, very limited. Think of the PO as a prison, that will not exist after a time, and did not exist all that long. It's restrictions do not apply universally.

quote:

---

Moreover, you're not the determiner of what is impossible and what is not

---

Science tells us we will die, and that we cannot live forever in our physical bodies. They have a known expiry date, that can only be tinkered with so far, not for eternity. Therefore science tells us it is impossible, as well as the bible, to live in the physical only forever.

quote:

---

Well, no, once again - we don't see those things happen; the Bible says they happened

---

Fair enough. But in the context of the bible itself, we can say that this hyper growth is possible, and seemingly the norm, pre split. As far as things not now growing fast, we are in a physical only universe, so it cannot happen that way any more.

quote:

---

I can, am, and have denied it. Your concepts and phraseology do not appear in the Bible. You appear to suffer under the arrogant delusion that you get add appendeces to God's word

---

You deny that the bible talks about Jesus' ressurected body being physical (He rose from the dead in the flesh. - 'a spirit hath not flesh and bone, as ye see I have') -as well as spiritual-appearing, and disappearing, flying up to the clouds, etc.?

If a beast changes into a man, then what is it? If a tree changes to another kind of tree, what is it? Besides, whatever you may want to call it, it explains the record of life on earth, in the context of a worldwide flood.
[A little off topic here, though somewhat in the same vane--but worth a mentch..No longer do I worry about heat from a rapid continental sliding around the flood time! The split didn't come till the days of Peleg (when the earth was split, or devided!) as I now see it, unless someone shows I am wrong there, which many have tried and failed to do. Therefore the spiritual was still at work, not mere physics.
Also, the long lifespans are explained by this as well. Where did the flood water go, we now have a canopy possible, as well as the great wind being able to blow the water out of our atmosphere!!!!! And many other mysteries explained!]

Bible evidence is the name of the game here, and I gave plenty, and have more. There is evidence in the bible of species change, hyper plant growth, and merging of physical and spiritual at times. If you can't stomach bible evidence, perhars you could invest your words in some thread where they might be relavent?

Actually it carries a whole lot more. I think it's about a billion people now are christians by the ststs, and somewhere in the order of several hundred million others not included in those ststs who are born again, but not church oriented, so not counted in the stats. Could you say most people in the USA for example believed in the Norse stuff? Could you say the majority believed in the God of the bible? Get the picture? Your belittling efforts, however are noted.

Point is that the bible talks about this rapid growth, and beast to man, and in a way that does tell us there was a merge. Which better explains orgins, and is at least as solid as physical only belief science alone. People used to kind of smirk a little ,and say things like, what did the animals eat after coming off the ark? Now I can tell them. How did men live so long? And a host of other questions? Same thing.

Lets see then if one beast changes into a man, it is a fairy tale, if all men changed from animals then it is science?

The definition that it still works. The definition that it points the way to eternity, and thats a lot of life. The definition it is like a little sleeping robot, that, when we punch in the right keys, whirs to life. Not the paper, the words in it, which are alive. 'The words I speak unto you, they are spirit, they are life'-Jesus. Not life that modern science can measure with it's caveman physical only instruments, but life, nonetheless!

You say it is only an allegory, but can't prove it. It has more information in many ways than what we learned in thousands of years! It tells us of things PO has yet not discovered, long lifespans, eternal life, a sun that will not actually burn out as they think at all, light that was spiritual and travels instantly, gardens that grow in days, a flood that PO science has thought never happened, angels most of the world knows about except the POers, and so much more.