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Author Topic:   Hyper evolution in the bible
DrJones*
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Message 16 of 317 (221500)
07-03-2005 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by simple
07-03-2005 8:45 PM


Re: back to the garden
I think I also gave the example of king Nebuchanezzar who was changed into a beast, ate grass like an ox for seven years, then was hyper changed back to a man.
Still not evolution, "hyper" or otherwise.
The tree of life by the river of life in the golden city has 12 different kinds of fruit. Every month of the year, it has a different kind.
Still not evolution, "hyper" or otherwise.

*not an actual doctor

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crashfrog
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Message 17 of 317 (221502)
07-03-2005 8:58 PM
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07-03-2005 8:47 PM


Re: The PO as Evidence
and it is alive
I'm sorry, what? What definition of "alive" applies to the Bible?
Boy, you people will just say anything at all about the Bible, won't you?

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Message 18 of 317 (221503)
07-03-2005 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by crashfrog
07-03-2005 4:06 PM


Re: back to the garden
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Possibility is not, apparently, a prerequisite for inclusion in the Bible. The Bible describes the occurances of plenty that is impossible.
Possibility limited to a physical only universe is just that, very limited. Think of the PO as a prison, that will not exist after a time, and did not exist all that long. It's restrictions do not apply universally.
quote:
Moreover, you're not the determiner of what is impossible and what is not
Science tells us we will die, and that we cannot live forever in our physical bodies. They have a known expiry date, that can only be tinkered with so far, not for eternity. Therefore science tells us it is impossible, as well as the bible, to live in the physical only forever.
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Well, no, once again - we don't see those things happen; the Bible says they happened
Fair enough. But in the context of the bible itself, we can say that this hyper growth is possible, and seemingly the norm, pre split. As far as things not now growing fast, we are in a physical only universe, so it cannot happen that way any more.
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I can, am, and have denied it. Your concepts and phraseology do not appear in the Bible. You appear to suffer under the arrogant delusion that you get add appendeces to God's word
You deny that the bible talks about Jesus' ressurected body being physical (He rose from the dead in the flesh. - 'a spirit hath not flesh and bone, as ye see I have') -as well as spiritual-appearing, and disappearing, flying up to the clouds, etc.?

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jar
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Message 19 of 317 (221504)
07-03-2005 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by simple
07-03-2005 8:47 PM


Re: The PO as Evidence
Simple.
Present some evidence that supports your position and assertions.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 20 of 317 (221506)
07-03-2005 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by DrJones*
07-03-2005 8:53 PM


fast track
If a beast changes into a man, then what is it? If a tree changes to another kind of tree, what is it? Besides, whatever you may want to call it, it explains the record of life on earth, in the context of a worldwide flood.
[A little off topic here, though somewhat in the same vane--but worth a mentch..No longer do I worry about heat from a rapid continental sliding around the flood time! The split didn't come till the days of Peleg (when the earth was split, or devided!) as I now see it, unless someone shows I am wrong there, which many have tried and failed to do. Therefore the spiritual was still at work, not mere physics.
Also, the long lifespans are explained by this as well. Where did the flood water go, we now have a canopy possible, as well as the great wind being able to blow the water out of our atmosphere!!!!! And many other mysteries explained!]

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simple 
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Message 21 of 317 (221508)
07-03-2005 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by jar
07-03-2005 9:02 PM


Re: The PO as Evidence
Bible evidence is the name of the game here, and I gave plenty, and have more. There is evidence in the bible of species change, hyper plant growth, and merging of physical and spiritual at times. If you can't stomach bible evidence, perhars you could invest your words in some thread where they might be relavent?

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DrJones*
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Message 22 of 317 (221509)
07-03-2005 9:21 PM
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07-03-2005 9:11 PM


Re: fast track
If a beast changes into a man, then what is it?
A singular beast changing into a singular man is not evolution. I'd call it a fairy-tale.

*not an actual doctor

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crashfrog
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Message 23 of 317 (221510)
07-03-2005 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by simple
07-03-2005 9:01 PM


Re: back to the garden
But in the context of the bible itself, we can say that this hyper growth is possible
In the context of the Bible, God is capable of any feat.
So what, exactly, is new in what you're telling me? That the normal rules don't apply when God is in town? Yeah, I think I knew that already. What's your point?

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jar
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Message 24 of 317 (221512)
07-03-2005 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by simple
07-03-2005 9:16 PM


Re: The PO as Evidence
Bible evidence is the name of the game here, and I gave plenty, and have more.
And your Bible evidence carries the same weight as the Norse Creation Myths or Baal.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 25 of 317 (221521)
07-03-2005 10:06 PM
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07-03-2005 9:26 PM


getting noticed
Actually it carries a whole lot more. I think it's about a billion people now are christians by the ststs, and somewhere in the order of several hundred million others not included in those ststs who are born again, but not church oriented, so not counted in the stats. Could you say most people in the USA for example believed in the Norse stuff? Could you say the majority believed in the God of the bible? Get the picture? Your belittling efforts, however are noted.

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simple 
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Message 26 of 317 (221524)
07-03-2005 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by crashfrog
07-03-2005 9:22 PM


Re: back to the garden
Point is that the bible talks about this rapid growth, and beast to man, and in a way that does tell us there was a merge. Which better explains orgins, and is at least as solid as physical only belief science alone. People used to kind of smirk a little ,and say things like, what did the animals eat after coming off the ark? Now I can tell them. How did men live so long? And a host of other questions? Same thing.

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simple 
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Message 27 of 317 (221525)
07-03-2005 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by DrJones*
07-03-2005 9:21 PM


Re: fast track
Lets see then if one beast changes into a man, it is a fairy tale, if all men changed from animals then it is science?

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jar
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Message 28 of 317 (221529)
07-03-2005 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by simple
07-03-2005 10:06 PM


Re: getting noticed
Actually, I believe in the GOD of the Bible, just not in the literal interpretation of a book written by plain old men with all of the limitations of their era.
Now if you can provide some evidence to support any one of your assertions, then maybe we can get somewhere. But it's hard to use a book like Genesis that is nothing but allegory as evidence of anything more than the fact that the authors didn't have the information that has been learned over the last several thousand years.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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simple 
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Message 29 of 317 (221531)
07-03-2005 10:22 PM
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07-03-2005 8:58 PM


springing to life
The definition that it still works. The definition that it points the way to eternity, and thats a lot of life. The definition it is like a little sleeping robot, that, when we punch in the right keys, whirs to life. Not the paper, the words in it, which are alive. 'The words I speak unto you, they are spirit, they are life'-Jesus. Not life that modern science can measure with it's caveman physical only instruments, but life, nonetheless!

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simple 
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Message 30 of 317 (221534)
07-03-2005 10:28 PM
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07-03-2005 10:22 PM


Re: getting noticed
You say it is only an allegory, but can't prove it. It has more information in many ways than what we learned in thousands of years! It tells us of things PO has yet not discovered, long lifespans, eternal life, a sun that will not actually burn out as they think at all, light that was spiritual and travels instantly, gardens that grow in days, a flood that PO science has thought never happened, angels most of the world knows about except the POers, and so much more.

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