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Author | Topic: Evolution != Atheism (re: the Rejection of Theism in Evolution) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
If you do not believe that what is written in Genesis is true, you are not, I repeat not, a Christian!
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
Yes, and sadly you gave a list of mainline churches that are now ordaining gay bishops and ministers. So what does that tell you?
Genesis is the foundation of every biblical doctrine: creation, man in the image of God, sin, the promise of a Savior, world-widecatastrophies presaging God ability and right to judge, the creation of the Hebrew Jewish people, and their place in the world. Saying you believe Jesus to be the Christ, but not believing the books that tell the coming of the Christ, is like having your feet firmly planted in mid-air. Again, the fact remains, a person that does not accept a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account, is not a disciple of Christ, a christian!
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
Here is a basic understanding of one aspect of proper biblical interpretation:
Page not found - Boundless This is one aspect of properly interpreting biblical passages. If this, among other things, is not done, then erroneous interpretations occur. Such as condoning homosexuality or encouraging racism. Both of which are condemned in the bible. You see, everything written in the bible has to be taken literally, which does not mean, for example, when psalms refers to trees clapping, that trees are actually behaving like humans and clapping their branches together like humans clap their hands. You would literally interpet that according to its context to be a poetic statement.
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
Interpreting the bible literally means interpreting it AS IT IS WRITTEN!
In doing so, evolution and theism are mutally exclusive.
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
I just would like to also make clear that because I say that you must literally interpret and accept the Genesis account as historically true, I am not saying that one has to believe in a young earth or old earth or such things that are not explicitly stated in the bible itself or even implicitly stated.
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
Figurative speech is a form of literature. If you interpret ANYTHING as it is written, then you would interpret a figure of speech as A FIGURE OF SPEECH, which is to interpret it literally.
Here is an article explaining, propably much better than I, what I am trying to say:Page not found - Boundless
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
Every material thing we see, yes, starting with the materials of anything constructed by man.
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
I'm obviously not getting through to you.
I don't see a contradiction between interpreting the bible literally and literally interpreting a figurative verse. For example: Jesus is the Lamb of God. To interpret that literally, one would come to the interpretation that Jesus is the sacrafice that God requires. It is a figure of speech, but to interpret it literally would not mean Jesus has hooves and wool. So where is the confusion. Here is a quote that, hopefully, will help:our (Evangelical christians') aim in interpretation is to find out the meaning rather than to escape from it. We believe that although some passages are hard to understand, the basic message of the Bible is plain and public rather than esoteric and convoluted. To see why we think so, take a look at Isaiah 45:19, Isaiah 48:16 and John 18:20 So literal interpretation is discovering the true meaning of the scripture. A prophesy is interpreted as a prophesy, historical eyewitness account interpreted as historical eyewitness account, and so on according to proper interpretation of anything that is written.
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
Follow these steps and then see if you have the same question:
1. The Bible is its own interpreter.2. We must interpret the Bible literally-"as it is written". 3. The Bible is to be interpreted like any other book. 4. Obscure parts of the Bible are to be interpreted by the clearer parts. 5. The implicit is to be interpreted in light of the explicit. 6. The rules of logic govern what can reasonably be drawn or deduced from Scripture. Private interpretation is not a license for subjectivism. The principle of private interpretation carries with it the obligation to seek the correct interpretation of the Bible. Though each biblial text may have multiple applications, it has only one correct meaning.
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
I refer you to my previous post for rules of interpretation.
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
The list is heirarchical.
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
This is the last I'm going to comment about this, becuase I'm not being heard anyway. The following leads one to reject evolution if properly applied to Scripture.
First: http://www.carm.org/bible/interpret.htm, this give general intepretive guidelines Second: Rules for interpretation1. The Bible is its own interpreter. 2. We must interpret the Bible literally-"as it is written". 3. The Bible is to be interpreted like any other book. 4. Obscure parts of the Bible are to be interpreted by the clearer parts. 5. The implicit is to be interpreted in light of the explicit. 6. The rules of logic govern what can reasonably be drawn or deduced from Scripture. Private interpretation is not a license for subjectivism. The principle of private interpretation carries with it the obligation to seek the correct interpretation of the Bible. Though each biblial text may have multiple applications, it has only one correct meaning. Third: our aim in interpretation is to find out the meaning rather than to escape from it. We believe that although some passages are hard to understand, the basic message of the Bible is plain and public rather than esoteric and convoluted. To see why we think so, take a look at Isaiah 45:19, Isaiah 48:16 and John 18:20 Fourth: When applying these guidelines and rules on such Scripture as 19:3-8, we see that the very Christ that the bible speaks of, God incarnate, regards the creation acount as somethng that acctually happened as a historical event, the very foundation of marriage is found in the Genesis creation account. God making man and woman fully formed and complete from the beginning and putting the two together is how we know that marriage is between a man and a woman. Now if man came from a single cell, the institution of marriage is simply man made, and what man put together, man can break, but Jesus says otherwise. 3. Pharisees came. As usual, ready to oppose. Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? Hillel, the greatest of the Jewish Rabbins whom Jews have sought to compare with Christ, taught that almost any ground of displeasure on the part of a husband would justify divorce. He even specifies scorching the bread as sufficient cause. Josephus, the historian, says he "divorced his wife because he was not pleased with her manners." 4, 5. Made them male and female. In the creation, God made man male and female and united the two by an indissoluble bond in the marriage of one man to one woman. For this cause. The bond of husband and wife is stronger than that between children and parents. Be one flesh. Two lives joined into one. 6. What God hath joined together. If God hath so joined them that the twain are one, no human ordinance has the right to separate them. 7, 8. Why then did Moses command? Deut. 24:1-4. They insinuate that he contradicts Moses. Moses, for your hardness of heart. Moses "suffered" some things that were not right on account of "the hardness of your heart," a low state of morals. A people cannot be lifted from moral depravity to a high standard at once. Hence the law permitted some things that were below the perfect standard of Christ. In the beginning. In the beginning there was no divorce and no polygamy.
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
Of course. Little Red Riding Hood would be interpreted as it is written: a children's story because it is written as a children's book.
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
Yes
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
If you have the same question, then you didn't honestly follow the rules of interpretation.
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