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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
The list is heirarchical.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
In Genesis 7:11 (all verse are from the NRSV):
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened. And Genesis 8:2:
...The fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained.... Quite literally, the Bible speaks of the sky being a dome, with windows in the dome through which rain falls. This is quite explicit. But let us use the Bible to interpret the Bible. In Genesis 1:6 we read
And God said, ‘Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.’ And this is quite consistent with the beliefs of the Semetic peoples living in the Middle East during the Bronze Age. The sky was a solid dome that kept the waters of heaven separated from the earth below, and that this heavenly resevoir was the source of rain, which fell through openings in this dome. By interpreting this verse literally, we can conclude that the sky is a solid dome which held up a heavenly resevoir of water. Of course, I don't recall Jesus making direct reference of this heavenly dome, so perhaps one can still be a Christian if one doesn't believe it. I have my doubts though....
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: I never said that THAT was a contradiction. In fact it is the only way to read the Bible entirely literal - to ignore the fact that some verses are clearly poetic and not intended to be read literally. The contradiction is between FIGURATIVE and LITERAL interpretation.
quote:. No, literally it means that Jesus is a young sheep beloning to God
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...It is a figure of speech, but to interpret it literally would not mean Jesus has hooves and wool. So where is the confusion.
[/quote] The confusion is obviously in your idea that reading it literally doesn't mean reading it literally. If you could just understand that figurative readings ARE NOT LITERAL then the confusion would go away.
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5819 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Follow these steps and then see if you have the same question: Yes, I still have the same question. As someone has already pointed out, the copy you are reading is an interpretation of an interpretation, which itself cames from who knows how many generations of oral interpretation before it entered written form (the original of which we do not have). So yes, I still have the same question. Your list actually adds some more questions, but I have the feeling I'm not going to be getting any real answers from you, am I? holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Siguiendo la
verdad In reference to the two rules.
2. We must interpret the Bible literally-"as it is written". 3. The Bible is to be interpreted like any other book. Does this mean we must interpret literally any other book? Let's say Little Red Riding Hood? Perhaps Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? Day of the Trifids?
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
This is the last I'm going to comment about this, becuase I'm not being heard anyway. The following leads one to reject evolution if properly applied to Scripture.
First: http://www.carm.org/bible/interpret.htm, this give general intepretive guidelines Second: Rules for interpretation1. The Bible is its own interpreter. 2. We must interpret the Bible literally-"as it is written". 3. The Bible is to be interpreted like any other book. 4. Obscure parts of the Bible are to be interpreted by the clearer parts. 5. The implicit is to be interpreted in light of the explicit. 6. The rules of logic govern what can reasonably be drawn or deduced from Scripture. Private interpretation is not a license for subjectivism. The principle of private interpretation carries with it the obligation to seek the correct interpretation of the Bible. Though each biblial text may have multiple applications, it has only one correct meaning. Third: our aim in interpretation is to find out the meaning rather than to escape from it. We believe that although some passages are hard to understand, the basic message of the Bible is plain and public rather than esoteric and convoluted. To see why we think so, take a look at Isaiah 45:19, Isaiah 48:16 and John 18:20 Fourth: When applying these guidelines and rules on such Scripture as 19:3-8, we see that the very Christ that the bible speaks of, God incarnate, regards the creation acount as somethng that acctually happened as a historical event, the very foundation of marriage is found in the Genesis creation account. God making man and woman fully formed and complete from the beginning and putting the two together is how we know that marriage is between a man and a woman. Now if man came from a single cell, the institution of marriage is simply man made, and what man put together, man can break, but Jesus says otherwise. 3. Pharisees came. As usual, ready to oppose. Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? Hillel, the greatest of the Jewish Rabbins whom Jews have sought to compare with Christ, taught that almost any ground of displeasure on the part of a husband would justify divorce. He even specifies scorching the bread as sufficient cause. Josephus, the historian, says he "divorced his wife because he was not pleased with her manners." 4, 5. Made them male and female. In the creation, God made man male and female and united the two by an indissoluble bond in the marriage of one man to one woman. For this cause. The bond of husband and wife is stronger than that between children and parents. Be one flesh. Two lives joined into one. 6. What God hath joined together. If God hath so joined them that the twain are one, no human ordinance has the right to separate them. 7, 8. Why then did Moses command? Deut. 24:1-4. They insinuate that he contradicts Moses. Moses, for your hardness of heart. Moses "suffered" some things that were not right on account of "the hardness of your heart," a low state of morals. A people cannot be lifted from moral depravity to a high standard at once. Hence the law permitted some things that were below the perfect standard of Christ. In the beginning. In the beginning there was no divorce and no polygamy.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
Of course. Little Red Riding Hood would be interpreted as it is written: a children's story because it is written as a children's book.
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
Yes
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Siguiendo la verdad Inactive Member |
If you have the same question, then you didn't honestly follow the rules of interpretation.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you more powerful or knowledgeable than GOD?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
I'll close this while the participants figure out what the topic is supposed to be.
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5819 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
If you have the same question, then you didn't honestly follow the rules of interpretation. That is your interpretation. I still honestly have the same question, you are still dishonestly avoiding answering it. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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