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Author Topic:   Evolution != Atheism (re: the Rejection of Theism in Evolution)
Modulous
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Message 118 of 178 (215900)
06-10-2005 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Siguiendo la verdad
06-10-2005 1:16 PM


Re: Ruling out
Wait, so because I am a theist, I'm a Christian Creationist?

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Message 125 of 178 (215912)
06-10-2005 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Siguiendo la verdad
06-10-2005 1:37 PM


Re: Ruling out
a christian is a theist and a theist is a creationist BUT a creationist is not necessarily a theist or a christian
But I am a theist and not a creationist. I also accept that evolution occurred. Therefore even if evolution opposes and contradicts the Christian religion (which I don't think it does, but that's irrelevant), it is not atheism, it does not explicitly contradict the divine.
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These two beliefs are contrary to one another, thus making theism contrary to naturalism.
I'd like to expand on that though. First - I don't believe that has to be the case at all - whilst it seems contradictory there are theistic naturalists out there. But that's beside the point. This thread isn't whether naturalism is atheistic, but whether the theory of evolution is. Since I am a theist and an 'evolutionist', I stand as evidence that this is not the case.
This stemmed from:
As I understand, evolutionary theory either denies the existance of a supernatural cause in general or specifically rules out the God of the bible.
Evolutionary theory does not deny the existence of a supernatural cause in general. It simply doesn't include one, the same way other modern scientific theories don't. I don't see the problem with a theory that doesn't end in "but ultimately, God is the first cause of all".

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Message 127 of 178 (215916)
06-10-2005 2:11 PM
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06-10-2005 2:05 PM


Re: Talmud discussions.
So if I said, like the tortoise beat the hare, I shall defeat the competition, though it seems to outclass me...does that mean I believe there really was a race.
If a small business manages to make a monopoly give way to it - I might say "Like David and Goliath". Does that mean I believe the story to be literally true?

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Message 134 of 178 (215942)
06-10-2005 3:19 PM
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06-10-2005 2:34 PM


Re: Ruling out
That is exactly what I'm saying, evolutionary theory does not allow for the literal interpretation of the Genesis account
I think the fact that this board, and others like it, exist speak of the self-evidence of that. However, the topic title stands.
Evolution != Athiesm

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Message 151 of 178 (216577)
06-13-2005 9:33 AM
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06-13-2005 9:29 AM


Re: Literal interpretation
In doing so, evolution and theism are mutally exclusive.
Even if one has to interpret the Bible the way you say, your statement is still false. It would mean that evolution and Abrahamic Monotheism were mutually exclusive.

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