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riVeRraT
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Message 49 of 103 (175525)
01-10-2005 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Phat
01-06-2005 3:28 PM


Re: Not ALL Christians are in it for themselves
If sin was washed away at Baptism and weekly communion alone, why not go party it up on the weekend before Mass?
This is exactly how a number of catholics live.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 51 of 103 (175531)
01-10-2005 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by berberry
01-06-2005 3:40 AM


Accountability
The way I see it, is original sin makes perfect sense, and it exists. It is plainly obvious, that anything wrong we do in our lives will get passed down to the next generation. We see this in DNA, family traits, and on a mental level as well. Any sin we do at all is always passed down, for it is not love, or the ways of heaven and God.
This is truth.
The other truth is that we are a human race. Everything we do wrong, or against God, affects the entire race. Adam and Eve were the start of that race, and we are all their children, there is no denying that.
It is plainly obvious in the ways of the world that is how it is. Once we start acting as a race, and helping each other no matter the cost, God will be pleased with all of us. For we cannot worship both God and money, but love one another the way we love our selves.
For a description of a perfect Godly community read Acts 2:42-47
The Fellowship of the Believers
42 They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
43 Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles.
44 All the believers were together and had everything in common.
45 Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.
46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,
47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
(How awesome this must have been, living life the way God intended us to, they got this way because of what I write next)
When you baptise with water (when you are old enough to understand what it means) it is a public display of a devotion towards the Al-mighty. If you then repent and seek his ways, he will bless you with the Holy Spirit. Then you are both baptised with water and spirit.
Acts 1
5 For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.
(This was Jesus's words to them)
Acts 2 (an account to what happen to them, and still happens today)
1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.
3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.
4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
At this point your sins a forgiven. remember, you must forgive others so that you too may be forgiven. Then your family will be blessed for generations to come. You still have to pay for your sins, but there are miracles that take place, and God may extend his grace on you.
How do we judge all this? We don't, we only can fully know what happens in our own lives with God.
To understand how it works, is through praying to God for comprehension, and reading the bible.
For me, when I first was baptised with the Holy Spirit, I found it easy to be mostly sin free. But as long as we are waiting for the enemy to be completely wiped out, it will be impossible to be completely sin free. Paul wrote:
Romans 7
14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
(that is the gospel of Jesus christ!)
Unfortunatly, the deception placed on us runs deep, and the original morals of the bible are hidden in thousands of years of the enemies deception.
But your spirit wishes to know the truth, and you will.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 52 of 103 (175542)
01-10-2005 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by 1.61803
01-10-2005 1:55 PM


Re: Not ALL Christians are in it for themselves
I am not casting stones. I used to live that way, and saw many others live that way first hand.
I am not condemming them for it.
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Everyone sins, including me. Just that when you think you can go to church on Sunday, confess your sins to another man and then think your forgiven, doesn't make sense to me, or what I read in the bible.
This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 01-10-2005 14:29 AM

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