The Whole Jesus Thing

Heheh, salvation 2.0 ehh Ya, I understand the idea. It still dosn't make sense to me tho. One of the strict rules you were supposed to follow for example was sacrifice of animals etc. Why on earth would God want a dead lamb?It's just silly.It seems, for a god that loves us so much, he is going thrugh such trouble to make things complicated. If he took our punishment for us, then certainly that's all it took. We are all forgiven period. No need to "accept Jesus", his death already dealt with that.Furthermore, why bother turning into a man at all?Just snap your fingers and wipe away sins. Easy no? See, I even came up with a better solution! So, if I ran out onto the highway and got run over by a truck, did I kill myself or the truck?God killd himself, he knew full well he was coming down to die. He killd himself.If I shoot myself in the head, did I kill myself or the bullet?Get it? Apease in this context means something like: Satisfies his anger. He didn't sacrifice anything tho, he's God!Sacrifice implies that something is lost in the process, God didn't lose anything. He knew going up to the cross he was gonna rise again. Where is the sacrifice?It's like superman, you know hes gonna win anyway, so why bother with all the extra drama? This implies that Jesus was A) not god or B) god talking to himself.
In case of A I have no argument, Jesus was not god. In case of B you got God PRETENDING to talk to himself and PRETENDING to be scared etc. So, why judgement? Why punishment?Removing the whole "accept Jesus" thing means we all go to heaven right? I mean, that was the purpose of the sacrfice, to wash it all away.So why the extra clause?

Hey, I think the way the writers of the New Testament distort and lie about the Tankah is horrendous. Got to keep them honest.

I notice that the words attributed to Jesus specifically does not mention the Kthuvim...

How do you make a sacrifice of yourself for your children?

You did't answer the question. The question is are you going to cough up $50.00 dollars because I saw your lawn needed mowing and decided to do it.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I didn't answer it because that question has nothing to do with the Jesus question.Christ died for all men. It was a gift freely given and you are not asked to pay $50.00. In fact, you are not even asked to say thanks.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Why of course you are, ever read every knee will bow?

yes, i posted about this earlier today in two other threads i think.

I just came to your house and installed a $5,000 dollar heating system in your home because I determined your old one is deficient.
Will you pay.

No, not really.If you check my postings here you'll find that I don't subscribe to such posturing. It's pretty silly IMHO.Christ died and rose again as an indication, an affirmation, that his death was full and sufficient sacrifice and oblation for the sins of the world. It was a passion, played out in the idiom of the day. It was a gift, freely given for all mankind, believer and non-believer.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Was it, like Jesus' death, a gift freely given?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

5 grand is a fairly significant sacrifice though.what does christianity demand? how does believing equate to a sacrifice in any way?(this question is double-edged, btw. if it's NOT a sacrifice, how is it a meaningful atonement for sins?)

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I never said that there wasn't? While, unlike others, I do not condone these other views, I do not condemn them either.

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Then you cannot really be true to your faith - becuase if you were, you would know that those worshippers of false goods are either badly mistaken or seduced by Satan, and furthermore that they are inducting their children into these "false" religions. Any claim to absolute truth necessarily precludes acceptance of any other claim to absolute truth.

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Yes, I agree that isn't an answer, again, I never said that it was. I had already answered the question, and stated scripture, now if the person reading it doesn't understand it, and I have explained it the best that I could, isn't it ok that I see things differently,

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No, it is not. Because all belief systems produce actions based on those on those belief systems. And seeing as all options carry opoprtunity costs, and echo across the social fabric, it is imperative that we understand what we are doing and why we are doing it so we can make rational decisions. It is not adequate to hold a position and be unable to justify why this position is correct.

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One thing, that you must know about me, is that it is ok for me not to agree with you, and it is ok for you not to agree with me.

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It's "ok" in a very airy-fairy, unrealistic, abstractly idealistic sense. I do acknowledge your different point of view, but I do not have to take your point of view seriously if you yourself cannot justify the position you yourself hold.

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you're actually both wrong, and i can say this with a reasonable degree of certainty.

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And I would have to say that technically you are absolutely correct. I was speaking generally, and explained what it meant to me though.

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Angel

ramoss,
Though I agree that Jesus was not God in the flesh, you quoted:

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DO NOT PUT YOUR FAITH IN PRINCES, OR IN THE SON OF MAN, IN WHOM THERE IS NO SALVATION.

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I do not put faith in any son of man, Jesus is the Son of God. Makes a difference.

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Angel