How Can Trinity Believers Explain This

Hi ANgel, welcome to the forum. I think Legend offers a logical answer here. In that - water is regarded as a substance made up of three things, yet it is still regarded as one substance. (There is only a problem if you define it as only gas or only liquid. Likewise - Christ and his father are "one", and the NT says all those born of the Spirit have the power to become the sons of God.Take your body for example - or mine even,(insert pun Dan)- You are made up of cells - all different kinds, an incredible number of them - yet you are still one in that you are a body, with many members.What am I? Am I my ear or my mouth? I am both. How much more possible is it - for God to be more than an ear and more than a mouth, and more than a body? When I die - am I my decaying body? When I am alive - am I spirit or body?

Cohesion. ..Erm, *scratches omniscient head*...Well, God is Creator of this universe - if he has a Son - then Christ is supernaturally of God. Likewise - ice is naturally from liquid. Now if God's power is another aspect of what he is - then the Holy Spirit is also another form of God (steam). This is all speculation. These bodies of ice and liquid are found in different places - yet they are water. Tis hard to explain..*frustration*. The "trinity" is neither favoured nor frowned upon by me. My opinion is what Christ said;"I and my father are one - him in me and me in him". Is that scriptural enough? If this isn't meant as "the trinity" then fair enough - I'm not too bothered.

Do you refer to the OT books - concerning Moses looking on his back but not his face?Well, I think God made a way of us being able to look upon him. Well, I say "us" - but really it was those of Jesus's time.I think Legend's previous post deals well with this, in that the fulness of Christ etc.. We had a whole discussion about this at a christin board. Many disagree on this issue. But I personally will not speak it - yet believe it, I'm discreet like that.

Contain your insolent baba! No - I can, I just am not on the ball today, you lil welsh chump. *Bonk*. Now omni-mike is wrath - he shall make you inherit a barren and desolate land. Oh - I forget, your welsh. Angel, I'll answer your post later on, honestly. This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 11-09-2004 12:30 PM

We don't - we announce 3 individuals as one thing.We aren't saying that blue, red and yellow are one colour. We're saying that blue red and yellow are the colours of one ball. What you don't understand is how something can be one without cohesion.It will confuse you if they announce all 3 individuals as 1 individual because that is incorrect;Water can be ice - a solid, or gas or liquid.The water on this planet - is regarded as one - in that, it is the water [of this] planet. Despite it appearing in cold places as ice - seperated from liquid - which is in warmer climates - So it can be seperated - but it is still water - the same water, in a big cycle. Three different forms if you like - of one thing.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 11-11-2004 07:01 PM

Listen - I promise I'm not being an author of confusion. Can you read this though; (It might help)There is one God.There is one human.What makes up both of these "one" things?Nothing is ever completely "1" unless it is an individual - purely. For example - the color red - is one colour. Yet we refer to a person as "one person" - because we qualify a set or group of many things, and then call them one "group" or one "human".If God is purely individual - made up of one thing only - and individually - then he is one individual in the number or colour sense.Define me. How am I "one" person? Are you not forced to describe numerous attributes which differ slightly from everybody elses - eventually making me unique?There is one 1 - as in the individual, pure definition - a unit or colour. (NOT a set or group of defined components)But there is also one as in;"Forming a single entity of two or more components: three chemicals combining into one solution."God is more than an individual thing in the colour or unit sense. He is unfathomable. This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 11-11-2004 07:38 PM

Hey - what do you mean never? You've only known me a short while. Hey - I could well be wrong though - I wouldn't advise anyone to agree with me, I don't want the responsibility.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 11-11-2004 07:47 PM

Angel - thinking more about this, I am trying to understand your position by figuring it out myself - but I think I have an idea of what you might be saying;I think the problem is when we define God as a person in the sense of a "human". We say Jesus is a person, and we say the Holy SPirit is a person aswell as the Father. Three people, yet we say "God is one person".If I say I have coke, water and milk, they are three different liquids. And I say they are "one liquid". Are they one in that they are all liquid? If I say - we have Dave, Pete and baba, are they one in that they are person(s)? - They are all people - but they are not one person.The problem is - that we have an extra-definition for the person of God. Is the difference in this definition of our own, that Jesus the Holy SPirit and the Father - have the same mind? FOr example - is Jesus - the Father and the Holy Spirit - all thinking the same thing like the borg? *head spins*

Hey whatzup dudeguy - you got some answers?Do you agree with the trinity?

Interesting stuff. Also - mitosis makes a new mike or two. The point I was making though - was that we assign groups.I realize that we are individual - and we can obviously see the oneness to a single human. But, my point was that assigned groups with various components are called "one" despite their components. That's all.

Hi Hangdawg,Aaaagh - I perceive you have wisdom - good post! And very relevant point.