How Can Trinity Believers Explain This

God is our father, to whom we should pray.
Jesus the son, our lord and the way.The Spirit was given from God in his love,
To give us new life and be born from above.God is the father, Jesus the son,
The Spirit of them makes the three one.God sent the the saviour, to die on the tree;
To pay for our sins and redeem you and me.So believe in Christ Jesus. Yield to him all;
Your soul he will save, as on him you call.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 11-11-2004 06:34 PM

There is one god, Jehovah.Jesus is the son of the one god, Jehovah.The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the one god Jehovah, and is also the spirit of Jesus, the son of the one god, Jehovah.The Holy Spirit, being both the spirit of the one god, Jehovah, and of Jesus, the son of the one god Jehovah is what makes trinity, i.e. tri-unity; what make the three one.The Holy Spirit, being both the spirit of the one god, Jehovah and of Jesus, the son of the one god, Jehovah, is also what makes Christians one body also called in scripture as the body of Christ.{"I Corinthians 12:13: "We are all by one spirit baptized into one body......."} This is the "baptism of the Holy Spirit" which comes at conversion when we "receive Jesus." It is that Holy Spirit of Jesus that comes into us when we "receive Christ" as saviour.Jehovah, god, sits on the throne of Heaven.
Jesus, the son of Jehovah, god, sits on the right hand of his father, Jehovah, god.
The Holy Spirit, the spirit of the one god, Jehovah and Jesus, the son of the one god, Jehovah, being MULTI-PRESENT simultaneously goes whereever in the universe God or the Son of God sends him and is thus that member of the trinity who goes places and does the bidding of either the Father or the Son throughout the universe, including such things as creation and indwelling the bodies of believers.

I hear you, Angel and you make a good point. Many so called tinitarians tend to ignore the tri, i.e. the three aspect of the trinity. The Jesus only movement which prevails in some penticostal circles has indoctinated this into a large segment Christianity. In many churches the Father and head of the trinity is rarely even acknowledged.Another problem is how many intelligent pastors, evangelists, including doctors of divinity haven't a clue as to how the trinity functions, with each member fulfilling unique functions. For example, the Father is the one to whom we are instructed by Jesus to pray. Jesus is the mediator, in who's name we come to the father. The Holy Spirit inspires us and helps us to know how to pray and what to say. Listen to the prayers of many Christians,including the pastors and TV folks. It's obvious they don't know the basic fundamentals taught in the NT as to how to pray, relative to the functions of the members of the trinity.Notice, I say, members of the trinity, not persons
Nowhere in the NT are the members of the trinity referred to as persons. Persons, by definition are not what the Father and the Holy Spirit are. Jesus, the son of God and the son of man, was the only person of the trinity by definition.

In your analogy, the Lake would represent the Holy Spirit, since Jesus came forth from the Holy Spirit from birth. He had no body, nor was he ever a man, before his birth. He was not created. Right. He became God's only "begotten", i.e. born son. He likely was, before birth, one and the same with the Holy Spirit, since he would have not been considered then as "the son of man." According to John 1 he was the "word" in the beginning. God spoke the "word" and he came forth as the son by the Holy Spirit, born a man, when "the word became flesh."

To clarify, I said that Jesus the son and Jehovah, the father are both of one spirit, the Holy Spirit. So there is a sense in which he can be regarded as "god," i.e. deity, but he is not a god perse. His status in the trinity is the son of God and he often referred to Jehovah, his father as his god. So in the rare cases where he is referred to as God, it is in the sense that he and God have the same spirit.

Fair question. God, the father and the Holy Spirit are 100% spirit. Though the father is implicated in scripture as having a man-like image, he does not have human flesh. Jesus, the son will return to earth as a man, having a human body just as he did when he ascended into Heaven. So my answer is no. they are not all of the same substance.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

1. Jesus is uniquely the born son of God. He can be equally worshipped as the father. The demons themselves fall down before him and fear him when they encounter him. He has all the attributes of the father in human flesh via the Holy Spirit. Many of the NT epistles put it this way; 'God our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ. He is master/lord of Christians, whereas God is our heavenly father. The conglomerate of Christianity is depicted in the NT as the 'bride' of the lord, Christ Jesus.2. To clarify, all three have the same spiritual substance, that is of one spirit.
The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the father, Jehovah and the son, Jesus. The spirit does the bidding of the father and the son. The spirit initiates nothing of itself/himself.Don't try to figure God or the trinity out to the nth. You're notagona be able to, nor am I. We go by what is written and do our best to put it all together and come up with some idea of how it works. I guess it's ok for God to know a whole lot more than we do and for us to have a limited knowledge of him as human creatures. He's revealed to us all we need to know, you can be sure of that.

Good post, Wmscott. This I agree with you about and have tried to make this clear several times in the past here in town. Those who insist on using the Hebrew in writing and pronouncing the name, should, to be consistent, then insist that all the NT be read and pronounced in Hebrew. That's nonsense.