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07-31-2004 9:57 PM


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Message 72 of 268 (140979)
09-08-2004 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by happy_atheist
09-08-2004 2:36 PM


Didn't answer his point
Happy, that didn't answer Robert's point. He says that the species (and I guess even the genus isn't important). So the fact that this is of the same family makes it the "same" in his eyes. I think you might want to ask him some more questions about what the heck he does mean.
You might also want to point out what other things are as close as this and the extinct coelacanth.
added by edit for Chiroptera
He defines "the same" as being of the same family I think. You might want him to get clear just what he does mean.
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Message 77 of 268 (141384)
09-10-2004 10:54 AM
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09-08-2004 3:27 PM


Re: Didn't answer his point
If he didn't mean species, then I guess we have to start over with what he DID mean
Yupe. Since he is moving goalposts all over the place you have to tie him down before answering. Get clear what he means first.
Then you either point out that he is being silly or answer the question he is actually asking.
By now we understand that Robert doesn't actually know what he is asking. Since he makes up things as he goes along he can't be expected to remain consistent for even a few posts.

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Message 97 of 268 (142068)
09-13-2004 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Robert Byers
09-11-2004 3:03 PM


a suspension is on the way Robert
I think you had enough time to learn that simply repeating assertions and ignoring what is posted to you isn't good debate etiquete. If it continues you will have a day or two to read what others have posted.
This is a last warning.

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Message 110 of 268 (142193)
09-13-2004 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Robert Byers
09-13-2004 5:12 PM


Fun?
I very strongly suggest that you don't try such fun things. Someone who has demonstrated that they certainly understand how ignorant the slugs comment is can get away with it.
You, however, have made a large number of comments that demonstrate just as much ignorance of the topics under discussion. Therefore when you make a little "joke" you are taken seriously.
In fact:
If you are serious I would only repeat that that I use in a fun way these examples. I know slugs to apes is not in books. I am making a point about the big picture Toe presents.
you didn't respond to the discussion only to the slug thing perhaps in the hope the revealing of a error (which it wasn't)would suggest everything is a error from my side. lame use of our attention.
could easily be taken as you trying to disown a comment that you, at the time, did mean seriously. It is hard to be sure.

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Message 111 of 268 (142194)
09-13-2004 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Robert Byers
09-13-2004 5:00 PM


The "list"
Robert post 50 writes:
The fish was presented as a intermediate kind because it was thought to have legs.
It was extinct because it had evolved away and not died away.
Is this the list? It is what I could find in post 50.
Now please acknowledge the discussion that you have been given, at length, on both of these points.
It is also not clear in post 50 why this is an embarassment I don't recall you doing more than asserting that it was.
I think you have now earned your suspension. But since you may not have time to have absorbed various suggestions I will wait for one more post. Given your track record I'm sure it will tip you over the edge. Enjoy the free for all forum while you have priviledges there.

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Message 216 of 268 (149484)
10-12-2004 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Robert Byers
10-08-2004 4:51 PM


Posting quality
Robert, it seems you're quality of posting is not improving after rather a large number of weeks.
This is to put you on notice that unless you start taking some of the rather patient advice you have been getting you will have to be restricted to the new Bootcamp where you can get more attention in pointing out the flaws in the way you approach the discussion.
Specifically, you will have to support assertions that you make. This needs to be with some actual data and a demonstartion of the logical steps required to reach the conclusions you assert.
Of course, it is understood that the data will be mostly from links to web references. The logic needs to be your own or explainable by you when asked. As the discussion proceeds you will have to support yourself with, perhaps, very detailed logical steps indeed.
Good luck.

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Message 218 of 268 (149718)
10-13-2004 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Robert Byers
10-13-2004 4:36 PM


Timescale
I'm not clear in this post Robert exactly what timescale you have a problem with or what the problem is.
In any discussion about timescale you must first learn a little about how they have been shown to be correct.
Please read over at least the beginning of
Age Correlations and an Old Earth.
Then you may post your answer there to the issues raised. If you avoid dealing with that and argue against the currently accepted dating methodologies again without evidence then you will be given an opportunity to learn better debating skills in the boot camp.
Think very carefully about your next few posts. Further unsupported assertions will restrict your privileges.
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Message 221 of 268 (149727)
10-13-2004 5:08 PM
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10-13-2004 5:03 PM


Re: Timescale
Its for the other guy who is making the claim to back up another claim.
I'll wait for Percy to clarify about time scales here. I'm not actually sure about the direct relavance that dating methods have so you are off the hook in this thread for now.
However, the claim HAS been backed up. There are a number of threads in Dates and Dating. If you bring up that as an issue anywhere else you have to deal with the back up that has been supplied. There are several threads because there is a LOT of backup.
Now you have to back up your assertions. In fact, you have to back up ANY assertion you make. If you continue to make assertions without back up in the form of evidence or logical reasoning you will be restricted to bootcamp to allow you to get the help you need with your debating skills.
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Message 244 of 268 (151769)
10-21-2004 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Loudmouth
10-21-2004 5:41 PM


Topic!
Loud, WT, please reveiw the topic of this thread.
And stick to it! Thanks.

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Message 250 of 268 (167870)
12-13-2004 9:26 PM
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12-13-2004 9:20 PM


W e l c o m e !
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