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crashfrog
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Message 156 of 268 (144480)
09-24-2004 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Cold Foreign Object
09-24-2004 4:18 PM


Anyone can produce a long word packed post just to distance themself from the original post
When did "I can't read" become a legitimate rebuttal to arguments? Just curious.

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crashfrog
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Message 214 of 268 (148982)
10-11-2004 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by Gary
10-11-2004 12:13 AM


So would you decide not to convict a murderer who left fingerprints at a crime scene and on weapons, just because fingerprints can be hard to find and because you can't reconstruct a person from their fingerprints?
Not to mention that, according to RB, fingerprint technology is "in it's infancy." After all, maybe living in the same environment as someone else might make you have the same fingerprints, too!

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crashfrog
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Message 232 of 268 (150342)
10-16-2004 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Matthew777
10-16-2004 6:04 PM


"Domain shuffling aside, it remains a mystery how the undirected process of mutation, combined with natural selection, has resulted in the creation of thousands of new proteins with extraordinarily diverse and well-optimized functions.
It's not really a mystery. As TalkOrigins says:
quote:
Functional sequences are not so rare and isolated. Experiments show that roughly 1 in 1011 of all random-sequence proteins have ATP-binding activity [Keefe and Szostak 2001], and theoretical work by Yockey [1992, 326-330] shows that, at this density, all functional sequences are connected by single amino acid changes. Furthermore, there are several kinds of mutations which change multiple amino acids at once.
Emphasis added by me. Even Denton agrees that there's no mystery to novel protein function:
quote:
"One of the most surprising discoveries which has arisen from DNA sequencing has been the remarkable finding that the genomes of all organisms are clustered very close together in a tiny region of DNA sequence space forming a tree of related sequences that can all be interconverted via a series of tiny incremental natural steps."
Sorry for the quote fest but you didn't really give me much of your own to go on. Try making arguments in your own words, using quotes to illustrate and support, not as the body of your message.
This is an important quote, because it shows the evolutionist argument of 'people having 98% the same DNA as a chimp' (we don't) to be without scientific merit.
No, all it shows is that, if it's true, banana cells and human cells employ half of the same protein products. That's all genes do, after all - generate proteins, or control the generation of proteins.
We do, in fact, share 98% (or more) of our genes with chimpanzees; most relevant to evolution, we share a number of nonfunctional sequences in the "junk" reigons of the DNA. Just like several identical errors between two people's homework assignments tell you that they cheated off of the same source, these identical plagarized errors in our DNA and theirs conclusively substantiates our common ancestry.

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crashfrog
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Message 234 of 268 (150360)
10-16-2004 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by Cold Foreign Object
10-16-2004 6:49 PM


This type of approach, an approach which began your refutation, establishes the context of your refutation to rely on worldview superiority, which is, of course, a philosophic argument that according to scientific methodologies has nothing to do with their conclusions.
While I agree that argument ad hominem is not appropriate, and that your respondent starts his post off with exactly that, that doesn't constitute the whole of his post. Instead, you appear to have used this single line to avoid addressing the substance of his rebuttals.
While his dispersions about your source do not constitute a rebuttal, he made other arguments that do. You have a certain responsibility to defend your argument from those rebuttals; merely pointing out that one element of his post was not a rebuttal does not suffice.

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crashfrog
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Message 260 of 268 (174421)
01-06-2005 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by Tal
01-06-2005 5:18 AM


My knowledge of a particular subject doesn't change the fact that you guys routinely speak of ideas and theories as if they are fact.
Apparently it causes you to mistake facts for theories and ideas.
Evolution is a theory that explains facts. Theories are made of facts. When we speak of the evidence or the observed results of a theory, those things are properly referred to as "facts."
Just because evolution is a theory doesn't mean that when the word "evolution" appears in a sentence, we're speaking theoretically.

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