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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
She is a myth. If Tea Tephi never existed the claimed line of descent from King David to the current Queen is broken. I stand by my contention that your claim has been refuted. You are simply asserting contrary to the evidence. If Biblical veracity was not at stake the point would of been accepted while yawning. You have not shown much less proved your claim of myth. I am standing by waiting to see your evidence. May I also remind that the Biblical evidence is being completely ignored. This is done because it provides a perfect frame that the historical facts fit in to. Edit: Mangy: Where is this refuting article that you are using ? This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 09-05-2004 04:56 PM
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Lindum Member (Idle past 3427 days) Posts: 162 From: Colonia Lindensium Joined: |
Hi WT,
Regarding the British Royal lineage, could you tell me who the first monarch to reign over Britain was? If you’ve already posted this, then please pardon my oversight and point me to the relevant post. Cheers.
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
quote: Here are your undoubtedly Tea, Jeremiah/Ollam Fodhla, and Baruch/Simon Breac from the Annals:
quote: This partial genealogy of Tea given here can be further traced both in the Four Masters and in Lebor Gabala Erenn. To wit: Tea, daughter of Lughaidh > Ith > Breogan > Brath; all the way to: > Ibath > Gomer > Iafeth > Noe. Thus, according to the Annals I'm reading, in addition to Tea not being a daughter of Zedekiah, she is not even of Hebrew lineage but is, rather, a descendant of Japeth.
quote: Thus, Ollamh Fodhla was the son of king Fiacha Finscothach. His army defeated Faildeargdoid in the battle of Teamhair. Note also the date recorded: The first year of Ollamh Fodhla's reign is recorded to have occurred 381 years after Tea's marriage to Eremhon.
quote: Breac was the son of Aedhan Glas. He conquered Sedna Innarraigh and became sovereign over Ireland. Six years later, Breac was felled by Duach Finn. Again, note the date: Breac's first year of rule is recorded to have occurred 408 years after Ollamh Fodhla. These are the sources; as opposed to parroted stories from your websites. You have been asked repeatedly to produce references from these sources that support your assertion that these annals describe Jeremiah and Baruch bringing the daughter of Zedekiah to Ireland. You have proven to be signally incapable of doing so. So now your homework has been done for you. And as anyone can see from the above quotations, taken from the annals themselves, Ollamh Fodhla was not Jeremiah, Simon Breac was not the scribe Baruch, and Tea was not Zedekiah's daughter. QED. As to your biblical allusions, we can analyze them if you wish. There are verses which counter your conjectures and it will be noted upfront that the bible says neither "Tea" nor "Ireland". Addendum: Inre: Saxons, Britons and Scythians
quote: Thus, according to the Annals of the Irish Liber Britannicus, the Saxon's derived from Saxo and the Britons derived from Britus. Note that Saxo and Britus are here recorded as descendants of Japeth.
quote: Here we also have the Scythians recorded as descended from Japeth. Remember, you brought up these sources. Are you prepared to live with them now? Or will they all of a sudden become "instant revisionism" (ala Cyrus Gordon) now that you don't like what they say. Amlodhi
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
WILLOWTREE,
Amusing as you've been the repetition is starting to take its toll. I have a quick request. Could you just once introduce a topic that is not totally whacko? lfen
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Amusing as you've been the repetition is starting to take its toll. I have a quick request. Could you just once introduce a topic that is not totally whacko? Because you are an atheist: Your view of my topic to be 'whacko' is the best recognition of its validity.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
WILLOWTREE,
Amusing as you've been the repetition is starting to take its toll. I have a quick request. Could you just once introduce a topic that is not totally whacko? jar Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Well I am pleased that you finally returned to a normal debater with this present offering.
I will need a little time to respond. But I am disappointed to see you completely evade and avoid the framework of Biblical evidence. This is only done because to address any of it harms your position. Obscure annal quotes accompanied with your tangential interpretations in no way trump the Bible's weight of evidence. Once again, this is a courtesy notice informing you that a response will occur ASAP. WT
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Because you are an atheist: Your view of my topic to be 'whacko' is the best recognition of its validity. My saying it's "whacko" is the best evidence you have to support it's validity? And if I weren't an atheist would my view cease recognition of the validity? (I'm not an atheist and not because Kendemyer denies atheists exist.) But seriously you go out of your way looking for whacko theories. I'm not talking religion here but stuff about the Great Pyramid and now this notion that the british monarchy is descended from King David. There have been several royal families and some have only the most tenuous relationship. I mean we go back enough generations we are all related. What is the point other than it amuses you to seek and bring us the most bizarre theories that you can dig up? Are you perhaps trolling this group for your amusement? lfen (And Jar? Stop copying me!!! dag nab it)
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You must realize that WILLOWTREE is directly under the influence of Satan and his GOD-sense has been removed. He, like so many others, have fallen under the influence of one of Satan's representatives on earth, Gene Scott. And because he is under the influence of Satan, he is unable to understand or appreciate reality. It is not his fault, but rather proof that Satan is about in the world.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
WTF!! I thought Bill Gates was Satan's representive on earth?
I've missed something about this Gene Scott. But I'm off on a whacko hunt myself, and Jar, the game is afoot! lfen
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6384 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
quote: Actually I see it as I'm simply asserting evidence to the contrary Seriously, this is just a quick reply to let you know I probably won't get chance to reply for a few days at least - but I will when I can.
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lfen Member (Idle past 4708 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
WILLOWTREE,
I offer this counter lineage to the british royal family:
According to Gardner the Holy Grail is a royal bloodline, The bloodline of Juda, the ancient and royal House of David, Kings of Israel from the days of the Old Testament. The bloodline of this royal house is traced in considerable detail from well before the Egyptian Exodus of the Hebrews into the twentieth century. This is the family of Jesus! Gardner is uniquely suited for this quest as he is a diligent researcher with access to some if not all of Europe's religious and political archives, including many private and well-guarded repositories of ancient lore. To quote the publisher's official biographical sketch... Laurence Gardner, Prior of The Celtic Church's Sacred Kindred of St Columba, is an internationally known sovereign And chivalric genealogist. Distinguished as the Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain, he is Presidential Attach to the European Council of Princes, a constitutional advisory body established in 1946. He is formally attached to the Noble Household Guard of the Royal House of Stewart, founded at St Germain-en-Laye in 1692, and is the Jacobite Historiographer Royal. From new information gleaned from the "Dead Sea Scrolls" Gardner explains the marital status of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and the subsequent royal bloodline that they sustained through the decline of the Roman Empire. The bloodline brought to France and England by Mary Magdalene and Jesus' brother James (also known as Joseph of Arimathea), the Royal Blood of Juda or "The Sangreal". Mary Magdalene arrived in Europe carrying the child of Jesus in her womb. In effect she was the vessel that contained Christ's blood, she was The Holy Grail. The bloodlines of several prominent European Royal Families of today are derived from the noble blood of Jesus and his brother James, most notably the Royal House of Stewart.http://www.webpages.free-online.co.uk/portcull/bkrgrai2.htm Gardner uses many recently discovered scources to meticulous annotate his theory. Okay, Willowtree, I've found the works of Laurence Gardner about the Holy Grail and the Grail Kings. I challenge you to find any theory wackier than this one and if you can't you must admit that you've been bested by me and give up your mission to bring the wackiest of theories to the EvC Forum. Do you accept my challenge? Can you find anything wackier than this or will you admit to your defeat at my hands and acknowledge that I am the new Champion of Wackery? lfen
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6384 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
quote: No no no - Bill Gates IS Satan.
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6384 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
If there was a smiley to indicate bowing down and saying "We're not worthy" I would have used it here...
You are the clearly the new Dark Lord Of Wackery and should henceforth be addressed by this noble and historic title
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
quote: As always, take all the time you need. I'm a bit curious though; why does someone who has so vehemently claimed the support of these annals not have this information at hand already?
quote: Cheer up, I will evade nothing. We will deal with the unadulterated biblical information once we have severed these pseudo-connections that you keep trying to read into the text.
quote: And once again, I'm in no hurry. I would rather wait for a studied and rational response than be treated to an immediate knee-jerk reaction. Amlodhi
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