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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I am down around where the Dali Lama is located.
-6.25 and -7.74 Cool site, thanks Asgara. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 08-30-2004 10:25 AM
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Don't worry, buz, I went ahead and did the survey for you. You scores: Economic Left/Right: 5.00Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 7.18 You scored in the same range as Margaret Thatcher and Ariel Sharon.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Gee, last time I checked I tend to support what I say with objective evidence quite a lot of the time. Oh, right, I guess you wouldn't remember that because you tend to run away from our debates just about the time you have been backed into a corner with the facts. Gosh, what a poor loser you are. Remember, you don't win debates around here by whining and calling people you disagree with dishonest; you win them by presenting factually-supported, logical arguments. It's not my fault you rarely manage to do this.
quote: True, but since you deign to complete the survey, you're free game as far as I'm concerned. Besides, wouldn't you say that you are in the same basic place, politically, as Sharon, Thatcher, and Bush, because thet's where I ended up plotting you. I'd say that's pretty accurate, wouldn't you? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 08-30-2004 02:20 PM
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Fine, but I think you are overreacting. Everybody knows that you haven't taken the survey. And I think I was pretty accurate, don't you? Aren't you pretty much in line with Bush, Ariel Sahron, and Margaret Thatcher?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Oh, I have done this on a couple of occasions with Holmes, but never, ever with Buzsaw.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, no, I don't think it would be intrusive for you to take the survey as if you were me. I really don't see how anybody could be offended. It's like somebody filling out a Cosmo survey as if they were someone else. I wanted to see how accurate I could be, and I think I probably did pretty well where your views were concerned. It's not like you haven't been consistent over the years in stating your rather black and white views, buz. It would actually be interesting to see how your impression of my values and opinions match up against how I answered. Feel free to answer as I might answer and we can see where I land. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 08-31-2004 05:11 PM
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...or to the workers.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Cable TV is another example.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Eh, not always, and I'm not even sure it's often.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: That's reason number #79 why I really, really love where I work. I am what you might call a mid-level product specialist that gets a higher-than-average hourly rate for the industry I'm in, but the partners of my business only make about 5-6 times what I make.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Do these unemployment rates include the people who are dropped off the count of unemployed people regarldess of if they found work or not?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
That is part of the reason why the national debt is still ballooning ( and this the fault of both parties).
Actually, spending tends to go up under Republican administrations. It's a myth that democrats run up the deficits. Here's a site which show the difference on many, many economic measures between Reagan and Clinton: RVC--Graphs ...and now a graph showing that, in the business cycle, the expansions are larger and the contractions are smaller under Democratic administrations, and the expansions are smaller and the contractions are larger under Republican administrations.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...except, during the Clinton years, when there was no deficit, but a sizeable surplus. How can you ignore that?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Are you actaully claiming that none of the fortune 500, successful companies ever throw lavish parties? Furthermore, the last kind of abuse I am concerned with are "lavish parties". I am much more concerned with the abuses of golden parachutes, huge executive bonuses awarded for laying off thousands of workers, and in general, the trend in the US for there to be an enormous, unreasonable disparity in compensation from the bottom of the organization to the top.
quote: Two words for you. "Employee-owned", which is a growing trend in the US. These companies are certainly for-profit, though the profit is shared among everyone, because everyone owns a part of the company.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Actually, the opposite seems to be the case. Southwest Airlines was the only airline to remain profitable when all of the other domestic airlines were in the red, and they have something very different than the typical higherachical corporate structure. http://www.scils.rutgers.edu/~bunz/southeast.pdf I can also give my own company as an example. Here's an article in Inc.: The Coolest Small Company in America | Inc.com 'The environment is, indeed, ZCoB's most striking feature, combining a strong sense of community, a deep belief in people, a fascination with management and business, and a passion for great food and great service. It's an entrepreneurial environment in which good ideas become real businesses, and employees with good ideas have an opportunity to become owners. More to the point, it's an environment that many can't resist. "Working here has never felt like a job to me," says Wickstrom. "I'm constantly learning about managing, about food, and about myself."'
quote: Of course, you forget that humans are social animals, not loners. One of the major reasons we humans became successful is because of our abilito to work together towards a common goal. We have a well-developed sense of fairness, too, which is why we are having this discussion. Most humans are team players who are willing to work in a group to accomplish something, and if we are treated fairly as far as rewards and compensation, and as long as we see that those with greater responsibility actually do more work, I think most of us have no problem with people with greater responsibility getting greater compensation. At least, this is how it is in my company. Of course, those of us at the bottom and mid-level of the company have higher wages than the industry average, and those at the tophave lower wages than the average. Additionally, we practice open book management, so aside from individuals' compensation everybody knows and discusses the financials of their department every week. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 09-03-2004 09:48 AM
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