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Author Topic:   What is a Liberal, and What is a Conservative?
Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 254 (137983)
08-29-2004 11:51 PM
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08-29-2004 1:29 PM


What is a liberal and what is a Conservative?
These are relative terms, relative to what is being conserved or liberalized. In our nation a conservative is one who seeks to conserve the status quo of the founders which is freedom, and individual liberty and limited government power. The liberal would liberalize the status quo to a more socialistic and legal condition. The most ardent seekers are the most conservative. In Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc the conservative is the one conserving the status quo of Mohammed and the Quran. Thus the oppressive nature of the conservative in these nations. The liberal would liberalize those stringent laws to include more freedom and less government control.
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 08-29-2004 10:52 PM

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 52 of 254 (138065)
08-30-2004 11:06 AM
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08-29-2004 11:55 PM


Re: And the grid Buz?
Did you check out your grid position?
Do you agree with the one given for Jesus?
1. I was rather more interested in addressing the topic which is a question rather than a survey. This thread is generally running off topic, imo.
2. I agree with Darwin Storm. I read off the questions in page one and considered what I saw to be so biased and politically motivated that I declined to participate.

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Buzsaw
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Message 62 of 254 (138147)
08-30-2004 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Silent H
08-30-2004 12:58 PM


Re: And the grid Buz?
While I question it's accuracy, I am unsure how you came to the conclusion of bias, especially by just looking at one page.
1. Several questions on page one seemed to implicate the Bush Admin foreign affairs in the Middleast.
2. Question one assumes and insinuates that trans-national private enterprise corporations do not serve humanity.
3. In ques 2 no matter how I answer, it portrays me as supporting either all or none of my country's policies.
4. 3 has nobody choosing country of birth and insinuates national pride to be foolish.
5. 4 casts a bad racist shadow on any who would recognize superior qualities of their respective races. For example, for blacks to recognize the known and statistical fact that their athletic abilities in such sports as boxing are superior to most other races, due to their natural physiology. The same would apply to American Indians who seem to excell all others as steeplejacks, Arabs and American Indians as rug weavers and so forth.
6. 5's problem is that the question is too relative a question for a yes or no answer.
Could you explain how you judged this, and why you felt one page was as good as the rest when each page had different topics and what appeared to be styles of question?
The survey would not let you view past page one without filling out page one.
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Buzsaw
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Message 63 of 254 (138156)
08-30-2004 2:48 PM
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08-30-2004 11:47 AM


Re: And the grid Buz?
Don't worry, buz, I went ahead and did the survey for you.
Thanks, but no thanks Schraf. Judging as to how you spin about everything else to suit your own whims, biases and purposes, your conclusion is moot anyhow since it may or may not come out as an accurate assessment.
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Buzsaw
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Message 70 of 254 (138210)
08-30-2004 5:46 PM
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08-30-2004 3:18 PM


Re: And the grid Buz?
you win them by presenting factually-supported, logical arguments.
OK mother Schraf, but after this, I'd like you to allow me to represent myself when and if my opinion is given in surveys.

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Buzsaw
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Message 71 of 254 (138211)
08-30-2004 5:50 PM
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08-30-2004 5:29 PM


Re: And the grid Buz?
So just take a position you believe reasonable.
Why should I do this when neither a yes or no represents my position and why should I even participate in a biased survey? The ultimate result would be to promote the bias of the survey.

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Buzsaw
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Message 94 of 254 (138343)
08-31-2004 2:01 AM
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08-30-2004 7:22 PM


Re: And the grid Buz?
If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations
If ecomonomic globalization is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity by state controlled enterprise rather than by private trans-national corporate enterprise?

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 101 of 254 (138391)
08-31-2004 10:04 AM
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08-31-2004 9:06 AM


Re: And the grid Buz?
And I think I was pretty accurate, don't you? Aren't you pretty much in line with Bush, Ariel Sahron, and Margaret Thatcher?
I don't know. Likely I'd answer many of the questions differently than some or all of the above and a number of questions I could not honestly give a yes or no answer. Madear, likely you also would've considered it boldly intrusive of me to try and represent your score by answering for you and pidgeonholing you into the slot of my pick.

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