What is a Liberal, and What is a Conservative?

Matthew 22:21 -They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13coolThese questions were seemingly targeting Christian beliefs to make them way right on the chart.example the homosexual adoption question, the person who made the test knew that some Christians are against homosexuality. (thats the belief I see in the public's eye these days)Also the 'against women' questions.Again the person who made it knew that some Christians take verses like 'Submit to your husbands' the wrong way...This message has been edited by prophex, 08-29-2004 09:50 PM

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

Although I think looking back that paranoia was nice considering what you could have said with justification, I believe that there is truth to what I said.

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

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I know of many christians that are personally against abortion but support legal freedom for it, it seems only the christian righteous need to impose their view on others ...

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Maybe the Righteous Christian doesn't exist, legal freedom would ensure judgement be put in God's hands not ours... Either way tho I dunno if God would intervene...Without Personal Belief how would they get an idea of how far right, left you are?I don't think Jesus would mess with such trivial testing, I think he is more worried about what happens after death than what you think about abortion.Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. What ever he would do it would be perfect... This of course is jargon for the reply tho.Yep MarvelOUS alright!

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

I'm not saying he wouldn't turn out to be a liberal, The questions would make Ronald Reagan a liberal.

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

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If it has a liberal bias wouldn't that show in the results? Personally I found a lot of question were leading to a more conservative position than I felt was justified, so perhaps it is just your biases lodged in your eyes.

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I seriously doubt that, If we analyzed the questions one by one, the liberal bias would be obvious...

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

I have given nice examples also.In previous replys above.

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

I agree strongly (pun intended) with buzsaw and Darwin Storm, the questions are biased...

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

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Gee, last time I checked I tend to support what I say with objective evidence quite a lot of the time.

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Oh, right, I guess you wouldn't remember that because you tend to run away from our debates just about the time you have been backed into a corner with the facts.

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Gosh, what a poor loser you are.

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Remember, you don't win debates around here by whining and calling people you disagree with dishonest; you win them by presenting factually-supported, logical arguments.

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This reminds me of the relationship in the show "third rock from the sun" between the lady Mary and the guy who does the Family Guy voice for the baby. LOLYou seem to be doing exactly what you are condemning buzsaw about...whiningYeah I dunno,Dishonest? OR Loser?Hmmm

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True, but since you deign to complete the survey, you're free game as far as I'm concerned.

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What is this ?Don't persecute buzsaw for not taking a biased test, I'm pretty sure he has a good idea of where he stands.

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

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Seth McFarlane is not on Third Rock, nor does John Lithgow provide any voices for The Family Guy.

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Noooooooooo!!! But you did know who I was talking about, good.

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No, Schraf supports her statements with evidence, and has never, to my knowledge, abandoned threads simply because she wasn't "winning".

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I've seen Buz do that a lot, though.

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I just don't see the point of hounding buzsaw about this at all...

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I'm not sure we've seen any evidence that the test is truly biased, though. For instance, everybody who's taken it so far winds up pegged down in Lefty land, including me.

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If the test was biased in favor of liberalism or whatever, wouldn't our scores all have wound up near the zero, in the middle?

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I have given 3 examples of why the test was biased is previous (the first) thread disscusing it.No if the test wasn't biased we WOULD have been pegged in the middle, see it?

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

Oh Goodie!

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

Slight misunderstanding,
My brother seems to think "Not directed just prophex" means you are "dissing" me.I thought it meant, not directed just to me. He thinks it means directed just to me.What did you mean moose?

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

I live in New York, The middle is where everyone strives to be isn't it? The middle is balanced. Not relativist.

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

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If the test was biased in "favor" of leftists, for instance, then us liberals who took it would have been clustered around the middle. Had the test been biased in favor of conservatives, then conservatives who took it would have wound up in the middle.

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I see what you are saying, but I disagree partially, what if the test was biased liberally, conservatives would be pegged left, liberals way left, if the test was biased conservitively, liberals would be pegged right, conservatives way right..

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Neither case seems to be happening. Folks who self-identify as liberal wind up in the liberal section of the results, and if any of you conservatives would take the test, we'd know if the test was biased in your favor or not. It certainly doesn't have a liberal bias or else all us liberals would be clustered around the middle.

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What do you mean YOU conservitives I took the test and I do not consider myself conservitive. I was left. I answered the test the way I feel about the issues brought up.The liberals were pegged way left, eggactly the way I said a liberally biased test would produce results.

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14

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Then liberals would score in the middle of the graph. That's what it would mean for the poll to have a liberal bias; it would interpret strong liberal positions as moderate, instead.

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Crash, I answered this in the context, more of a statement that I wished you would reply to, No if the test was liberally biased liberals would be placed where they were, WAY left... Reinstating opinions seems to be getting us nowhere, I have shown evidence by first showing the biased questions (In the original Post about this) and then proving that liberals who answered them were pegged lefty. I see what you are saying but a liberally biased test would force people to look at the issue in a way so that there is no way around it! I.E. Do you believe having an abortion is wrong EVEN if the mother's own life is threatened? (not an actual question on the test) That is a biased question forcing me, who would say abortion is destroying a "future baby" to say: in that case choice is nessecary.I want you to see what I am trying to say I have given support for my statement.You apparently have not, rather replying with your opinion OVER and OVER and OVER...

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"Bias" in this case is the presentation of political skew as moderation or normality; that's why a liberally-biased test puts liberals in the middle.

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No, "Biased Questions" force the test-taker to make a decision in a perspective that if not answered a certain way seem inhumane, that is what a lot of the questions do in the Political Compass Test!Maybe I have a misconstrued view of the actual meaning of a Bias, but what I have stated is what the test made me reply!Nevermind I do not think I do...This message has been edited by prophex, 09-01-2004 01:39 PM

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"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."Ephesians 5:14