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MangyTiger

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Message 166 of 337 (138569)
08-31-2004 5:33 PM

Reply to: Message 164 by Cold Foreign Object
08-30-2004 10:16 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

WILLOWTREE writes:

According to the official genealogy chart of the Royal House of Britain the throne and all who have occupied it descend from David and the Pharez line of Judah.

As a Brit I would REALLY like to see the official geneology chart you refer to.

I'd also like to know where it came from - or in other words what makes it "official" ?

Another question I have is that in such thing as inheritance and lines of succession it is very often the case that the succession is through the male line (for example although Prince Charles is first in line to the throne because he is the oldest child of the Queen he would still be the heir even if he been born AFTER Princess Anne - because he is the oldest male child). Does this apply to the "Pharez line of Judah" ?

The reason I ask of course is that the male line of the current Royal Family is only British back to Edward VII, the son of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg Gotha (or something like that - definitely German at any rate).

The more I think about this the more questions pop into my head. For example, what is regarded as the "Royal House of Britain". As I understand it the thrones of England and Scotland were seperate until Queen Anne - in fact they were distinct countries who just happened to share a monarch. This shared monarchy itself hadn't existed until James I of England - who (as everyone who did history at school in my day knows) was James VI of Scotland.

I guess I'll just have to wait with bated breath until the chart is posted and then take it from there.

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Message 167 of 337 (138582)
08-31-2004 6:04 PM

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08-31-2004 5:33 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

Hi MangyTiger,

MT writes:

As a Brit I would REALLY like to see the official geneology chart you refer to.

Me too.

The reigning British Monarch is, amongst other things, dubbed Defender of the Faith (referring to Anglican Christianity), yet there seems to be no reference to a Davidian lineage mentioned in the official British Monarchy website: No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page1.asp.

I suspect we’ll be presented with a chart similar to those found here: No webpage found at provided URL: http://asis.com/~stag/royalty.html, with no more evidence than, My source says so, so it must be true.

Cheers.

PS: If this claim is endorsed by Gene Scott, WT will slit his own wrists before admitting it may be wrong — good luck.

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Message 168 of 337 (138591)
08-31-2004 6:28 PM

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08-31-2004 6:04 PM

Defender of the Faith

The reigning British Monarch is, amongst other things, dubbed Defender of the Faith (referring to Anglican Christianity)

I thought Henry VIII recieved the appelation Defender of the Faith from the Pope for his opposition to Martin Luther and his military campaigns in Europe against the Protestants. This was, of course, before the clash of calendars (ie: the time needed to get an annulment and the 9 month deadline)

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Message 169 of 337 (138592)
08-31-2004 6:39 PM

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08-31-2004 6:28 PM

Re: Defender of the Faith

jar writes:

Ok Mr pedantic

"Defender of the Faith" was originally a Catholic title, but it is still ascribed to the current ruling monarch! (ie. CofE). It refers to Christianity, whatever brand you choose

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Message 170 of 337 (138593)
08-31-2004 6:40 PM

Reply to: Message 166 by MangyTiger
08-31-2004 5:33 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

Hi MangyTiger,

I'm guessing its this:

King David Education – Educational information based on the Bible

1. Adam (B. C. 4000-3070), Eve.

2. Seth (B. C. 3869-2957).

3. Enos (B. C. 3764-2859).

4. Canaan (B. C. 3674-2895).

5. Mahalaleel (B. C. 3604-2709).

6. Jared (B. C. 3539-2577).

7. Enoch (B. C. 3377-3012).

8. Methusaleh (B. C. 3312-2344).

9. Lamech (B. C. 3125-2349).

10. Noah (B. C. 2943-2007), Naamah.

11. Shem (B. C. 2441-1841).

12. Arphaxad (B. C. 2341-1903).

13. Salah (B. C. 2306-1873).

14. Heber (B. C. 2276-1812).

15. Peleg (B. C. 2241-2003).

16. Reu (B. C. 2212-1973).

17. Serug (B. C. 2180-2049).

18. Nahor (B. C. 2050-2002).

19. Terah (B. C. 2221-1992), Amtheta.

20. Abraham (B. C. 1992-1817), Sarah.

21. Isaac (B. C. 1896-1716), Rebekah.

22. Jacob (B. C. 1837-1690), Leah.

23. Judah (b. B. C. 1752), Tamar.

24. Hezron.

25. Aram.

26. Aminadab.

27. Naasson.

28. Salmon.

29. Boaz (B. C. 1312), Ruth.

30. Obed.

31. Jesse.

KINGS IN PALESTINE

32. K. David (B. C. 1085-1015), Bathsheba.

33. K. Solomon (B. C. 1033-975), Naamah.

34. K. Rehoboam (b. B. C. 1016, d. 958), Maacah.

35. K. Abijah (B. C. 958-955).

36. K. Asa (B. C. 955-914), Azubah.

37. K. Jehoshaphat (B. C. 914-889).

38. K. Jehoram (B. C. 889-885), Athaliah.

39. K. Ahaziah (B. C. 906-884), Zibiah.

40. K. Joash (B. C. 885-839), Jehoaddan.

41. K. Amaziah (b. B. C. 864, d. 810), Jecholiah.

42. K. Uzziah (b. B. C. 826, d. 758), Jerusha.

43. K. Jotham (b. B. C. 783, d. 742).

44. K. Ahaz (b. B. C. 787, d. 726), Abi.

45. K. Hezekiah (b. B. C. 751, d. 698), Hephzibah.

46. K. Manasseh (b. B. C. 710, d. 643), Meshullemeth.

47. K. Amon (b. B. C. 621, d. 641), Jedidiah.

48. K. Josiah (b. B. C. 649, d. 610), Mamutah.

49. K. Zedekiah (B. C. 599-578).

KINGS OF IRELAND

50. Q. Tea Tephi (b. B. C. 565), marries Herremon, a Prince of the scarlet thread.

51. K. Irial Faidh (reigned 10 years).

52. K. Eithriall (reigned 20 years).

53. Follain.

54. K. Tighernmas (reigned 50 years).

55. Eanbotha.

56. Smiorguil.

57. K. Fiachadh Labhriane (reigned 24 years).

58. K. Aongus Ollmuchaidh (reigned 21 years).

59. Maoin.

60. K. Rotheachta (reigned 25 years).

61. Dein.

62. K. Siorna Saoghalach (reigned 21 years).

63. Oholla Olchaoin.

64. K. Giallchadh (reigned 9 years).

65. K. Aodhain Glas (reigned 20 years).

66. K. Simeon Breac (reigned 7 years).

67. K. Muirteadach Bolgrach (reigned 4 years).

68. K. Fiachadh Toigrach (reigned 7 years).

69 K. Duach Laidhrach (reigned 10 years).

70. Eochaidh Buailgllerg.

71. K. Ugaine More the Great (reigned 30 years).

72. K. Cobhthach Coalbreag (reigned 30 years).

73. Meilage.

74. K. Jaran Gleofathach (reigned 7 years).

75. K. Coula Cruaidh Cealgach (reigned 25 years).

76. K. Oiliolla Caisfhiachach (reigned 28 years).

77. K. Eochaidh Foltleathan (reigned 11 years).

78. K. Aongns Tuirmheach Teamharch (reigned 30 years).

79. K. Eana Aighneach (reigned 28 years).

80. Labhra Suire.

81. Blathucha.

82. Easamhuin Famhua.

83. Roighnein Ruadh.

84. Finlogha.

85. Fian.

86. K. Eodchaidh Feidhlioch (reigned 12 years).

87. Fineamhuas.

88. K. Lughaidh Raidhdearg.

89. K. Criomhthan Niadhnar (reigned 16 years).

90. Fearaidhach Fion Feachtnuigh.

91. K. Fiachadh Fionoluidh (reigned 20 years).

92. K. Tuathal Teachtmar (reigned 40 years).

93. K. Coun Ceadchathach (reigned 20 years).

94. K. Arb Aonflier (reigned 30 years).

95. K. Cormae Usada (reigned 40 years).

96. K. Caibre Liffeachair (reigned 27 years).

97. K. Fiachadh Sreabthuine (reigned 30 years.)

98. K. Muireadhach Tireach (reigned 30 years).

99. K. Eochaidh Moigmeodhin (reigned 7 years.)

100. K. Nail of the Nine Hostages.

101. Eogan.

102. K. Murireadhach.

103. Earca.

KINGS OF ARGYLESHIRE

104. K. Fergus More (A. D. 487).

105. K. Dongard (d. 457).

106. K. Conran (d. 535).

107. K. Aidan (d. 604).

108. K. Eugene IV. (d. 622).

109. K. Donald IV. (d. 650).

110. Dongard.

111. K. Eugene. V. (d. 692).

112. Findan.

113. K. Eugene VII. (d. A. D. 721), Spondan.

114. K. Etfinus (d. A. D. 761), Fergina.

115. K. Achaius (d. A. D. 819), Fergusia.

116. K. Alpin (d. A. D. 834).

SOVEREIGNS OF SCOTLAND

117. K. Kenneth I. (842-858).

118. K. Constantin I. (862-876).

119. K. Donald II. (889-900).

120. K. Malcolm I. (943-954).

121. K. Kenneth II. (971-995, d. A. D. 995).

122. K. Malcolm II. (1005-1034, d. A. D. 1034).

123. Bethoc, married to Crinan, Mormaer of Atholl and lay abott of Dunkeld.

124. K. Duncan I. (1034-1040, d. A. D. 1040), Sybil.

125. K. Malcolm III. Canmore (A. D. 1058-1093), Margaret of England.

126. K. David I. (1124-1153, d. A. D. 1153), Matilda of Huntingdon.

127. Prince Henry (d. A. D. 1152), Ada of Surrey.

128. Earl David of Huntingdon(d. A. D. 1219), Matilda of Chester.

129. Isobel m. Robert Bruce III.

130. Robert Bruce IV. m. Isobel of Gloucester.

131. Robert Bruce V. m. Martha of Carrick.

132. K. Robert I. (The Bruce) (A. D. 1306-1329), Isobel, daughter of Earl of Mar.

133. Marjorie Bruce m. Walter Stewart III.

134. K. Robert II. (b. 1317, 1371-1390, d. A. D. 1390), Euphemia of Ross (d. A. D. 1376).

135. K. Robert III. (b. 1337, 1390-1406, d. A. D. 1406), Arabella Drummond (d. A. D. 1401).

136. K. James I. (A. D. 1406-1437), Joan Beaufort.

137. K. James II. (b. 1430, 1437-1460, d. A. D. 1460), Margaret of Gueldres (d. A. D. 1463).

138. K. James III. (b. 1451, 1460-1488, d. A. D. 1488), Margaret of Denmark (d. A. D. 1486).

139. K. James IV. (b. 1473, 1488-1513, d. A. D. 1543), Margaret of England (d. A. D. 1539).

140. K. James V. (b. 1513, 1513-1542, d. A. D. 1542), Mary of Lorraine (d. A. D. 1560).

141. Q. Mary (also known as Mary, Queen of Scots) (b. 1542, 1542-1567, d. A. D. 1587), Lord Henry Darnley (d. 1567). (Mary became Queen when she was just six days old. She was deposed as Queen in 1567 and was executed in 1587 ).

SOVEREIGNS OF GREAT BRITAIN

142. K. James VI. and I. (A. D. 1603-1625), Ann of Denmark. (This King James was known as King James VI of Scotland when he reigned over that country from 1567 to 1625. He was known in England as King James I when he also ruled that country from 1603 to 1625. He was the first King over both Scotland and England. It was under this King's rule that a NEW translation of the Bible occured, which became known as the Authorised King James' Version of the Bible (also known as KJV Bible)).

143. Princess Elizabeth (d. 1662), Frederick V, Elector Palatine.

144. Princess Sophia, (d. 1714), m. Duke Ernest of Brunswick (d. 1698).

145. K. George I. (1714-1727), Sophia Dorothea of Zelle (1667-1726).

146. K. George II. (b. 1683, 1727-1760), Princess Caroline of Brandenburg-Anspach (1683-1737).

147. Prince Frederick Lewis of Wales (1707-1751), Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha-Altenberg.

148. K. George III. (b. 1738, 1760-1820), Princess Sophia of Mecklenburgh-Strelitz (1744-1818).

149. Duke Edward of Kent (1767-1820), Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg (d. 1861)

150. Q. Victoria (b. 1819, 1837-1901), Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha.

151. K. Edward VII. (b. 1841, 1901-1910), Princess Alexandra

152. K. George V. (b. 1865, 1910-1936), Princess Mary

153. K. George VI. (b. 1895, 1936-1952), Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother) (b. 1900, d. 2002)

154. Q. Elizabeth II (b. 1926, 1952 to Present), Philip Duke of Edinburgh

Nothing on the official monarchy website tho' (quel surprise).

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Message 171 of 337 (138594)
08-31-2004 6:44 PM

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08-31-2004 6:39 PM

Re: Defender of the Faith

You right. But it will be interesting to see just how he supports this assertion and if it flies further than any of the others.

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Message 172 of 337 (138673)
08-31-2004 11:46 PM

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08-31-2004 6:40 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

Hi P-Egg: (and the debate at large)

I'm impressed with your genealogy list.

The source I have begins with Judah and ends with the current Queen.

What truly amazes me is the automatic "it cannot be true" response from a certain element.

What makes royalty - royalty ?

1Samuel 16:

And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? fill thine horn with oil, and go, I will send thee to Jesse the Bethlehemite: for I have provided me a king among his sons.

Again, Jesse made seven of his sons to pass before Samuel. And Samuel said unto Jesse, The LORD hath not chosen these.
And Samuel said unto Jesse, Are here all thy children? And he said, There remaineth yet the youngest, and, behold, he keepeth the sheep. And Samuel said unto Jesse, Send and fetch him: for we will not sit down till he come hither.
And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.
Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward.

The point is: The choice of God.

When God chose David and Samuel anointed him - shazaam: royalty.

from the list P-Egg writes:

KINGS OF IRELAND

50. Q. Tea Tephi (b. B. C. 565), marries Herremon, a Prince of the scarlet thread.

Once again the scarlet thread of Genesis 38 appears.

Who is Tia Tephi ?

2Kings 25:6,7

So they took the king, and brought him up to the king of Babylon to Riblah; and they gave judgment upon him.
And they slew the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes, and put out the eyes of Zedekiah, and bound him with fetters of brass, and carried him to Babylon.

Nebuchadnezzar, in the above passage wipes out the Davidic line (so he thought).

Numbers 27:6-8

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
The daughters of Zelophehad speak right: thou shalt surely give them a possession of an inheritance among their father's brethren; and thou shalt cause the inheritance of their father to pass unto them.
And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a man die, and have no son, then ye shall cause his inheritance to pass unto his daughter.

The point is that the law of God establishes that if no male heirs survive the inheritance will proceed through the surviving daughters.

Jeremiah 39:11,12

Now Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon gave charge concerning Jeremiah to Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard, saying,
Take him, and look well to him, and do him no harm; but do unto him even as he shall say unto thee.

The point is Jeremiah had special protection and amongst his entourage was this suviving daughter of the Davidic lineage - Tia Tephi. Therefore, unbeknownst to Nebuchadnezzar, the Davidic line was alive and well being protected by the captain of his guard.

Whats the larger point ?

GOD IS IN CONTROL.

Jeremiah 1:9,10

Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.
See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.

God tells Jeremiah that he is going to use him to destroy kingdoms (Southern Kingdom of Judah) and to PLANT kingdoms.

Where did Jeremiah PLANT ?

Answer: Ireland.

The original name of Ireland: Hibernia/Hebrew.

Now we know why so many persons from Ireland are named "Jeremy"/Jeremiah.

Jeremiah planted Tia Tephi in Ireland where she married Echoid Heremon/reigning king of Ireland.

Now the Davidic line is in the British Isles and marries a Zarahite already ruling (Genesis 38 birthright child Zara/descendants)

Ezekiel 21:27

I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

1) overturn: Palestine to Ireland.
2) overturn: Ireland to Scotland.
3) overturn: Scotland to Britain.

I predict the British monarchy will never expire and every heir to the throne will be crowned in Westminster Abbey on the Coronation Chair with the Stone of Scone beneath, even though the seat resides in Scotland presently.

It is this throne that God kept His promise to David.

Jeremiah 33:17

David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel

What the world does not understand is that all Israelites are not Jews.

All Hebrews are Israelites but not all Hebrews are Jews.

All Jews are Hebrews but not all Hebrews are Jews.

The OP was written to establish the above fact FROM THE BIBLE.

Source: "The Illustrious Lineage of the Royal House of Britain"

AVCTORE GV. M. H. MILNER A.M., S.G.R.Soc., I.V.Adsoc.
LONDON MCMXXIII
Covenant Publishing, London, 1902

Source of history: Dr. Gene Scott Pastor Melissa Scott presents Dr. Gene Scott - The Official Site go to Web TV and watch any "Lost Tribes" teaching lectures.

Dr. Scott: (paraphrase)

"Look at what God did to keep His word to David.....the point is that if God will go through this much trouble to keep His word to a murderer (David) then how much more will keep His word to us based upon the promises purchased by the blood of His Son ?"

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Message 173 of 337 (138879)
09-01-2004 4:14 PM

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08-31-2004 11:46 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

quote:
WT:

The point is Jeremiah had special protection and amongst his entourage was this suviving daughter of the Davidic lineage - Tia Tephi. Therefore, unbeknownst to Nebuchadnezzar, the Davidic line was alive and well being protected by the captain of his guard.

The problem is: None of this information actually exists in your "sources".

quote:
. . . they (BI proponents) all seem to draw from previous British-Israel writings. They speak so confidently it sounds like there must be something in the annals to which they refer. The names mentioned in the Tea Tephi legend appear in the annals, true enough, but I have discovered they are totally different persons in the annals than the British-Israel legend makes them out to be. The annals simply don't say what the British Israel literature, or the Worldwide Church of God, say they say. It is a legend that someone somewhere within British Israel circles began, stated it as fact, and it has been repeated as fact within British Israel circles ever since, down to the present day in which the Worldwide Church of God repeats it to millions. It may make an interesting story, but it is completely fabricated.

Afterword on British-Israelism, p. 121, Greg Doudna (Dept. of Near Eastern Studies, Cornell Univ.)

Having read through much of these annals now, I can only agree. Tea Tephi, for instance, as recorded in the annals, is not a daughter of Zedekiah. She is, rather, recorded to be the daughter of Lugaid, who was the son of Ioth > of Breoghan > of Bratha.

I have also read BI apologetics which claim that this refers to an earlier "Tea" and that "Tea, daughter of Zedekiah" came later. The problem with this is that there is no later recorded "Tea". How can it be a "source" if the imagined "later Tea" isn't recorded there?

Can you, then, provide us with references to the relevant sections of the annals which support your identification of these personages? If you cannot; then you have no source. You are merely parroting an unsupported story as described by Greg Doudna above.

Hoping for a reference from the source > expecting evasive and irrelevant digression.

Amlodhi

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Message 174 of 337 (138912)
09-01-2004 7:01 PM

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08-31-2004 11:46 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

The original name of Ireland: Hibernia/Hebrew.

Wrong again. Hibernia was the Latin designation for what we now call Ireland. It has the same root as hibernate and basically means a winter land, or the land to the far North. It has no connection to the term Hebrew. It is first mentioned in documents from Pliny, Caesar, Tacitus and Apulius but no definite etymology is given other than geographic references.

I’m surprised that after your claim that you have a genealogy you produce none whatsoever.

I am glad to see that you seem to have dropped your claim about the Red Hand. Even your own source...

50. Q. Tea Tephi (b. B. C. 565), marries Herremon, a Prince of the scarlet thread.

admits that it was a thread. However, even that is simply assertion and no supporting evidence is given.

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Message 175 of 337 (138933)
09-01-2004 8:33 PM

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09-01-2004 7:01 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

All my evidence is so direct and spectacular.

In response, your "refutation" is to just deny it and assert contrary.

From the Red Hand/Scarlet cord of Genesis 38 to the fact that the British Monarchy descends from Judah/David.

IOW, all you can do is assert what I post does not mean what it says simply because it is so water-tight.

The British Crown and every person who occupies that illustrious position descends from Judah/David whether you or anyone recognizes the fact or not.

This historic fact disproves and exposes secular history to be controlled by Satan.

Even Protestant christianity at large are pea brained enough to "spiritualize" the promises God gave to David - hence Satan even controls them on this matter.

The Royals know their lineage and I have the chart. P-Egg posted another version of the same facts.

I guess you can now scream fraud evertime irrefutable evidence surfaces which diproves what you assumed your whole life.

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Message 176 of 337 (138937)
09-01-2004 8:56 PM

Reply to: Message 173 by Amlodhi
09-01-2004 4:14 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

The problem is: None of this information actually exists in your "sources".

What you are really saying by quote marking the word 'sources' is arguing the man/person.

IOW, any evidence which irrefutably proves the Bible must be incorrect/wrong/fiction/FRAUD.

The above blue box quote asserts diametrically opposite of what my sources relayed.

I never heard of Greg Doudna in my life.

You have retreated into the race card of BI.

IOW, stain the evidence and the sources as racists because otherwise the evidence is invulnerable.

By this logic you must condemn Darwin and Huxley - but even I wouldn't do that. They lived in a different era with different beliefs.

Rhetorically speaking what does BI have to do with the lineage of the British crown ?

You are a pawn of the invention of Satan to turn the world off to the marvelous facts of the Royals descending from David.

Your Doudna/BI revisionism was created to erase the facts I have reported.

I have all my evidence posted in my own words with source cite.

Your problem is that you really believed that you knew it all until someone came along who proved the Bible correct and this fact leaves you willing to resort to racism.

There is nowhere to go on this: The British Crown descends from David/Judah and in response you assert secular/traditional beliefs to be the real facts.

Do you know the history of the Stone of Scone/Liafail ?

I would really like to settle the facts of the OP with you before we go any further into historical matters.

But I think your civility has evaporated a long time ago. I have evidence and sources but suddenly the rules change when a theist trounces his opponents.

I have posted in this topic evidence which destroys your worldview. Like the GP topic all you can do is cry fraud/racism - the evidence remains.

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Message 177 of 337 (138948)
09-01-2004 9:21 PM

Reply to: Message 175 by Cold Foreign Object
09-01-2004 8:33 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

WILLOWTREE writes:

The Royals know their lineage and I have the chart. P-Egg posted another version of the same facts.

and in Message 164

WILLOWTREE writes:

According to the official genealogy chart of the Royal House of Britain...

(my emphasis in both quotes)

WILLOWTREE, I'd like to know on what basis your chart is 'official' ?

There is certainly nothing like your information on the site (http://www.royal.gov.uk) pointed to by Lindum in an earlier reply. As this is the official website of the British monarchy I would have thought we would find proof of your claim here - or at least the claim itself would be stated.

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Message 178 of 337 (138952)
09-01-2004 9:28 PM

Reply to: Message 173 by Amlodhi
09-01-2004 4:14 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

. . . they (BI proponents) all seem to draw from previous British-Israel writings. They speak so confidently it sounds like there must be something in the annals to which they refer. The names mentioned in the Tea Tephi legend appear in the annals, true enough, but I have discovered they are totally different persons in the annals than the British-Israel legend makes them out to be. The annals simply don't say what the British Israel literature, or the Worldwide Church of God, say they say. It is a legend that someone somewhere within British Israel circles began, stated it as fact, and it has been repeated as fact within British Israel circles ever since, down to the present day in which the Worldwide Church of God repeats it to millions. It may make an interesting story, but it is completely fabricated.
Afterword on British-Israelism, p. 121, Greg Doudna (Dept. of Near Eastern Studies, Cornell Univ.)

Thus ASSERTS this Doudna character.

What does BI or the Worldwide Church of God have to do with facts of history ?

Answer: Painted undesirable by atheist/secular entities and the facts they proclaimed for whatever reason they had are being negated.

If Stephen Hawking was a child molester would that negate his research and whatever evidence that supports it ?

Albert Einstein was an adulterer, does that harm his facts ?

You and your sources are reacting to evidence proclaimed by entities and because the claims and evidence scare the hell out of your worldview you must assert the evidence itself is racist.

How is evidence racist ?

Truth doesn't matter - if an undesirable latches on your strategy is to stain the messenger with his evidence.

Your Doudna blue box above is pure ASSERTION "because I say so" and "I am a level headed atheist" with no anti Bible ax to grind so "believe me when I say Tea Tephi is not thus and such".

All of the evidence which proves the Bible is "covert" covered by the pawns of this God hating world controlled by Satan.

A debater posts evidence which decimates your previous beliefs, in response, you play the race card as if evidence is racist in itself.

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Message 179 of 337 (138954)
09-01-2004 9:34 PM

Reply to: Message 178 by Cold Foreign Object
09-01-2004 9:28 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

WILLOWTREE writes:

You and your sources are reacting to evidence proclaimed by entities and because the claims and evidence scare the hell out of your worldview

What you don't seem to understand is that no one is scared, just the opposite. We are laughing our asses off at Gene Scott and his crackpot "Pyramidology/British-Hebrew/What God thinks of Fundamentalism" nutcase ideas.

The only fear is of dying laughing. LOL

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 180 of 337 (138961)
09-01-2004 9:43 PM

Reply to: Message 177 by MangyTiger
09-01-2004 9:21 PM

Re: Royal House of Britain

IOW, because the official website of the monarchy does not proclaim their lineage - this omission means their lineage is whatever you believed it to be.

All my evidence is posted with source cite.

If you go to Dr. Scott's website he reads from BOOKS - many many books which substantiate the claims from every conceivable angle and era.

IOW, just because you are genuinely ignorant it is not so.

If you really care to know the truth then listen to Dr. Scott or remain latched on to tradition/error/deceived by the God hating scholarship of this world.

It is not a matter of opinion - the British Crown descends from David.

Prince Charles knows this very well and his father meticulously groomed him to be king which will happen one day.

Every U.S. President descends from the British lineage, hence evertime in the Bible where you read this precise phrase "House of Israel" = the British Empire AND the U.S.A./descendants = all the promises given to Abraham are fulfilled in these "brother" countries.

The U.S. is the descendants of the ten tribes and before your jaw hits the floor you must remember that not all Hebrews are Jews.

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