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Author Topic:   GENESIS 22:17 / NOT A PROMISE GIVEN TO THE JEWS
ramoss
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Message 136 of 337 (135436)
08-19-2004 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by jar
08-19-2004 8:12 PM


Of course, I am sure that we will not get a peer reviewed article from Ron Wyatt about his 'discoveries'. His fraud outlived him though

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Message 137 of 337 (135695)
08-20-2004 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Amlodhi
08-19-2004 9:39 PM


If you plainly tell me what you want I will promptly cough it up.
Please do not quote mine out of context.
Do a little work and I will oblige you.
Presently, your quest is ambiguous and I do not understand your issues.
I assure you that I have the source in question and all quotes from it that have been posted are exact.
sincerely,
WT

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Message 138 of 337 (135698)
08-20-2004 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by ramoss
08-19-2004 7:57 PM


stretching things
stretching things; synonyms: asserting species somehow evolve into a different species, water creatures to land, land creatures to birds, etc.etc.
All because micro-evolution WITHIN species is a fact.
When Zara's hand breached the womb any honest person can deduce that it was bloody to a certain extent, hence the red hand, the scarlet cord reinforces the entire two prong red symbolism.
Obscure fossils which could belong to an ape via the similarity to humans is easily deduced but Genesis 38 is suddenly confusing.
Pure dishonest hypocrisy based upon allegaince to worldview regardless of the evidence.

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jar
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Message 139 of 337 (135701)
08-20-2004 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Cold Foreign Object
08-18-2004 4:52 PM


WILLOWTREE writes:
"The Common Backround of Greek and Hebrew Civilizations" by Professor Cyrus Gordon. [1965, 1962]
The title of the above source says it all.
The above source is one of Dr. Scott's sources.
The above source is relatively unknown and not embraced by secularists ?
Nonsense. It is a fairly common source.
The title says nothing except the Greeks and Hebrews drew on common backgrounds. It does not say that the Greek civilization was based on the Hebrews.
Just to see how unknow it is, I checked to see what libraries might have it. Here's a partial list of the ones somewhat near me.
Baptist University of Americas Library 	San Antonio 	Texas 		Theological
Dallas Baptist University 	Dallas 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
Houston Baptist University 	Houston 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
Howard Payne University 	Brownwood 	Texas 		Academic
Letourneau University 	Longview 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
Rice University 	Houston 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
Seminex Library 	Austin 	Texas 		Theological
Southern Methodist University 	Dallas 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
Southwest Texas State University 	San Marcos 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary 	Fort Worth 	Texas 	Library Information 	Theological
Stephen F. Austin State University 	Nacogdoches 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
Texas Christian University 	Forth Worth 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
Texas Tech University 	Lubbock 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
Trinity University 	San Antonio 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
University of Dallas 	Irving 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
University of Texas, Dallas 	Richardson 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
University of Texas, El Paso 	El Paso 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
University of Texas 	Austin 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
University of the Incarnate Word 	San Antonio 	Texas 	Library Information 	Academic
Arkansas State Library 	Little Rock 	Arkansas 	Library Information 	State / Provincial
Arkansas State University 	State University 	Arkansas 	Library Information 	Academic
Hendrix College 	Conway 	Arkansas 	Library Information 	Academic
Lyon College 	Batesville 	Arkansas 	Library Information 	Academic
Southern Arkansas University 	Magnolia 	Arkansas 	Library Information 	Academic
University of Arkansas, Little Rock 	Little Rock 	Arkansas 	Library Information 	Academic
Loyola University 	New Orleans 	Louisiana 		Academic
Northwestern State University 	Natchitoches 	Louisiana 	Library Information 	Academic
University of Louisiana at Lafayette 	Lafayette 	Louisiana 	Library Information 	Academic
Santa Fe Public Library 	Santa Fe 	New Mexico 	Library Information 	Public
University of New Mexico 	Albuquerque 	New Mexico 	Library Information 	Academic
Oral Roberts University 	Tulsa 	Oklahoma 	Library Information 	Academic
Phillips Theol Seminary Library 	Tulsa 	Oklahoma 		Theological

Please note that the list includes both secular and religious institutions so once again, it is shown that your assertion that "The above source is relatively unknown and not embraced by secularists ?" is false.


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ramoss
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Message 140 of 337 (135702)
08-20-2004 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Cold Foreign Object
08-20-2004 2:20 PM


Boy oh boy,.. you realise no mainstream biblical scholar takes that british israelism seriously.. as a matter of fact, it has all been totally debunked.
Now, how about some phsycial evidence, rather than mine quoting, and making assumptions about the text.
How about showing, from British artifacts, an israeli influence from
the correct time period?
How about showing some genetic proof?
I mean, the British israelism was even reputed by the Church that one of your sources founded on the concept.

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Amlodhi
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Message 141 of 337 (135704)
08-20-2004 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by jar
08-20-2004 2:39 PM


quote:
Originally posted by jar
The title says nothing except the Greeks and Hebrews drew on common backgrounds. It does not say that the Greek civilization was based on the Hebrews.
Exactly. Thank you, jar.
Ironically, the only person to whom this source seems to be "relatively unknown" is WT himself. Since from his previous statements it is apparent that he has never actually read any of it.
Amlodhi

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jar
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Message 142 of 337 (135707)
08-20-2004 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Cold Foreign Object
08-20-2004 2:20 PM


When Zara's hand breached the womb any honest person can deduce that it was bloody to a certain extent, hence the red hand, the scarlet cord reinforces the entire two prong red symbolism.
Sorry WILLOWTREE but Genesis 38 is pretty clear.
quote:
28: And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first,
29: And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez.
30: And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.
Your assertion is simply silly. It clearly says that the only difference was where the thread was. There is nothing about a red hand.
If one childs hand was bloody so would the twins hand. In addition, both the right and left hand would be bloody. So it makes every bit as much sense to talk about "The Red Hand of Pharez".
Once again, you have no evidence.
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Message 143 of 337 (135710)
08-20-2004 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Amlodhi
08-20-2004 3:06 PM


It's not all WTs fault. Satan can be attractive and when he takes human form, like Gene Scott, he can and is very persuasive. I'm not at all surprised Gene Scott has fooled WT. It's simply proof of Satan's existence. As Frodo said when speaking of Servants of the Enemy, "...seem fairer and feel fouler", a perfect description of Gene Scott. Dr. Scott is obviously one who has had his Godsense removed.

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Message 144 of 337 (135715)
08-20-2004 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by ramoss
08-20-2004 3:00 PM


As I predicted you have returned to the refuge of the defeated = racial smears Message 131
Seems your penchant for equating proofs of Bible with racism but not the origins of Darwinism = hypocrite.

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Message 145 of 337 (135719)
08-20-2004 4:09 PM


Effects of Defeat
The title of Gordon's book and its voluminous proofs that Greece's origins were from Hebrew, the Red Hand, the easy similarity of Hebrew names and words found in foreign lands, and the constant insulting of sources/arguing the man, and racist smear = the actions of the defeated who cannot refute with any evidence.
All you opponents are ranting and have lost your composure. The jumbo font by Jar reveals rage. You all are in a state of fury.
The Bible is proven true and regardless of the evidence atheist worldview is king.
You atheo-evos, whenever cornered with irrefutable evidence retreat into the aforementioned tactics = proof of being under control by Satan = well known Biblical claim.

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Message 146 of 337 (135721)
08-20-2004 4:12 PM
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08-20-2004 3:00 PM


no mainstream biblical scholar
Generous biased title given to atheist "scholars".

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jar
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Message 147 of 337 (135722)
08-20-2004 4:14 PM
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08-20-2004 4:09 PM


Re: Effects of Defeat
The Bible is proven true and regardless of the evidence atheist worldview is king.
Agreed. Genesis 38 says thread. No mention of a red hand.
quote:
28 And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first.
29 And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez.
30 And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.
It is proven there is no such thing as the Red Hand of Zarah.
You Scottaholics, whenever cornered with irrefutable evidence retreat into the aforementioned tactics = proof of being under control by Satan = well known Biblical claim.
edited to add WT's quote to make it clear what I'm addressing. Sorry about that lapse.
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jar
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Message 148 of 337 (135724)
08-20-2004 4:18 PM
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08-20-2004 4:09 PM


Re: Effects of Defeat
One simple question.
What is the title of Gordon's book?

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Message 149 of 337 (135764)
08-20-2004 6:48 PM
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08-20-2004 3:24 PM


WHAT IRONY !
Jar writes:
It's not all WTs fault. Satan can be attractive and when he takes human form, like Gene Scott
John 8: Pharisees speaking to Jesus:
Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
Looks like Dr. Scott is in good company.
John 8: (Jesus speaking to the Pharisees)
Ye are of your father the devil
Looks like Jar has fulfilled the eternal word of God and brings form to the type of the Pharisees.

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Message 150 of 337 (135766)
08-20-2004 6:53 PM
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08-20-2004 4:14 PM


Re: Effects of Defeat
The content of your post is pure plagarism of my arguments made in the post you responded to.
I feel very gratified and complimented nontheless.

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