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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 76 of 337 (134133)
08-15-2004 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by jar
08-15-2004 11:11 AM


Re: Let's return to the Red Hand.
Finally, I have been unable to find any referance to "The Red Hand of Zarah" as a symbol in any of my sources for heraldric interpretation or on any heraldric web sites. The only such cites are in sites propounding the same theory you are pushing.
IOW, lack of sites to the contrary is your evidence.
Could it be this is because there is no refuting evidence ?
You are assuming your preconceived bias is true, then when you find no links supporting your bias you conclude that this means the sites which support me are false.
IOW, lack of refuting evidence is evidence that I am incorrect.
Your theory is not even a theory but a dogmatic opinion based on secular worldview.
My evidence remains.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 77 of 337 (134150)
08-15-2004 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by ramoss
08-15-2004 10:38 AM


The Race Card
The race card is played when a person wants to smear something they are infuriated by, in Ramoss case, it is the evidence confirming the Bible.
The race card indicates total inability to refute the evidence, and is a validation of the evidence.
Notice Ramoss makes the smear but fails to demonstrate it. He is the product of a politically correct world run by Satan.
The race card is the refuge of the defeated.
IOW, it is not allowed to prove the Bible correct lest you be lumped as a racist.
Ramoss is playing for the crowd trying to get everyone to forget about the evidence.

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CK
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Message 78 of 337 (134152)
08-15-2004 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Cold Foreign Object
08-15-2004 7:26 PM


Re: The Race Card
He is the product of a politically correct world run by Satan.
Come on Willowtree - what place does that have in a serious debate?

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ramoss
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Message 79 of 337 (134179)
08-15-2004 10:04 PM
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08-15-2004 7:31 PM


Re: The Race Card
ooops.. wrong link
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ramoss
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Message 80 of 337 (134180)
08-15-2004 10:05 PM
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08-15-2004 7:26 PM


Re: The Race Card
Well, I was demonstrating that your sources are not scholarly sources, and resorting to them is the logical fallacy known as 'appeal to authority'.
Aside from some writing from people who mainly are discredit, trying to come up with odd conclusions with the most twisting of some words, what physical evidence do you have of your cliams.
As a matter of fact, the DNA evidence falsifies your conclusions. The British do not have their origins from the middle east. Some families in Wales acutally have been shown to have been there for 5000 years, because scientists have found people living in an area a 100% identical match to the mitochondria dna found in a 5000 year old tomb.
With DNA analsyis, the origins and path of migrations can be accurately shown. The DNA evidence shows that claim is 100% false.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 81 of 337 (134366)
08-16-2004 2:23 PM
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08-15-2004 10:05 PM


Re: The Race Card
Well, I was demonstrating that your sources are not scholarly sources
Quite the contrary.
All of my sources are of the highest levels of academia.
You are now really asserting that only sources which reflect your secular worldview to be scholarly.
Your input still doesn't touch the evidence - equals a compliment to the evidence.
The remainder of your post contains subjective opinions - still a compliment to my evidence and sources.

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Message 82 of 337 (134368)
08-16-2004 2:29 PM
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08-16-2004 2:23 PM


Re: The Race Card
The remainder of your post contains subjective opinions
I missed the high-level evidence or source that provided that satan ran this politically correct world. Could you point it out to me?

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 83 of 337 (134375)
08-16-2004 2:39 PM
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08-15-2004 7:31 PM


Re: The Race Card
What place does a race smear have in debate ?
It is only vomited when a person is infuriated with the evidence and they cannot refute with evidence.
Satan is invisible and can only be deduced by the effects of his presence, just like quantum mechanic particles.
If my evidence is true then the unknown facts that the Celtic Nations are of Hebrew origin demonstrates the effects of Satan's presence.
These hillbilly dismissals of racism reflect Satan perfectly.
Satan's goal is to numb the world to the performance of God keeping His word for the expressed purpose of us not taking seriously the looming judgement of hell and the only way of escape - the gospel.
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jar
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Message 84 of 337 (134377)
08-16-2004 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Cold Foreign Object
08-15-2004 6:40 PM


Re: Let's return to the Red Hand.
So you do not despute all of the evidence I provided pertaining to the origin, meaning and symbolism of the Red Hand, the obvious descrepance between the Biblical account and the Coat of Arms and the clear evidence that the Red Hand has entirely different interpretations than your sources?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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ramoss
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Message 85 of 337 (134494)
08-16-2004 9:29 PM
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08-16-2004 2:39 PM


Re: The Race Card
I would like to know several things.
1) Your sources seem to be a very narrow type of theologist. COuld you please show me their credentials, adn why we should accept them
2) Why are you using such ad homeinin attacks as 'hillbilly attitudes', and allusions to satan??

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 86 of 337 (134501)
08-16-2004 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by ramoss
08-16-2004 9:29 PM


Re: The Race Card
Your sources seem to be a very narrow type of theologist.
To equate "theologist" with narrow is narrow/subjective.
What is "theologist" by the way ?
COuld you please show me their credentials
The "their" being who exactly ?
Why are you using such ad homeinin attacks as 'hillbilly attitudes', and allusions to satan??
You are feigning ignorance concerning my point.
The ignorance is feigned because you do not like my point.
I suggest before you play a race card you evidence the serious charge.
You played the race card and associated entities viewed as racists for the single purpose of avoiding the evidence, also known as a cheap shot.

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Message 87 of 337 (134631)
08-17-2004 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by Cold Foreign Object
08-16-2004 9:51 PM


Re: The Race Card
By THEIR credentials, I mean your sources.
Your use of the logical fallacy of diversion is noted. Your claims have not been backed up, and all you have done is use the logical fallacy of
"Appeal to Authority" to say 'These people said this'...

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 88 of 337 (134719)
08-17-2004 3:14 PM
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08-17-2004 9:38 AM


Re: The Race Card
Who says macro-evolution is true ?
Crank-artists who call themselves "theorists" because they have given up on evidence because it leads to God.
The above is your narrow definition.
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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 89 of 337 (134722)
08-17-2004 3:22 PM
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08-17-2004 9:38 AM


Re: The Race Card
Your claims have not been backed up
All my claims have been provided with evidence, corroborating evidence, and source cite.
Your input is whats called "arguing the man".
This is a compliment to the evidence.
All my sources are theists and their theism is based on the evidence.
You want to assert that secular is the objective but in reality they are inferior and biased.
You need to refute with evidence and source cite OR retreat into racist accusations which admit that you are bankrupt except in tabloid tactics.

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Message 90 of 337 (134734)
08-17-2004 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Cold Foreign Object
08-15-2004 7:26 PM


The Satan Card
quote:
The race card indicates total inability to refute the evidence, and is a validation of the evidence.
Accusing people of being controlled by Satan indicates your inability to refute the evidence and is validation of the truthfullness of other scholars.

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