I want one good reason that being gay is ok

The real issue for a christian, is not really the "gay" part. All fornication is not acceptable according to the bible. Therefore, the only sex that seems to be "ok" is the married variety. It's like the NT says, the flesh fights with the spirit, that's the the war between them. Because the spirit will despise the flesh. To an un-spiritual person, there will be no despising or war, because the spirit has laid down and given up the fight.Nevertheless, your quote above is also bibically accurate somewhat. Because if there is truth to being born "gay" then that in itself is not wrongful, yet the deeds thereoff are not justified, just as they are not for a man born straight and who then fornicates. So, the fight of flesh and spirit is still prevailant and/or necessary. Therefore your comment is unnacceptable; That's just the flesh's way of saying, "it's natural - therefore acceptable". But nature will not justify anything. Therefore, the truth is; That I can live for long without sex, yet I cannot without food. Therefore, sex is not needful - but food is. Yet I am the robot? What??? And this has to do with??A robot - is most definitely one who cannot control his flesh, and obeys every natural desire because he is weak. Now surely you yourself have just said it is natural to have sex, and therefore you implicate justification of the flesh (therefore we are positioned awkwardly us biblists when concerning gay issues)--> (Nevertheless, I see the gay man as innocent as the straight one untill he obeys his flesh). Does your secular reasoning mean if I am born serial killer it is natural for me to rape? - the KEY is that we bring it to God, so then there is no justification of evil through nature. Because the nature of this world is of the enemy.The real issue is lust - and you are a lusty robot who has given up your spiritual fight. Now lust leads to many evil things; rape, serial killers etc..Now all this is because you cannot fight a natural urge. Now who is the robot!!!!!!So a gay man to me is no big deal, yet satan would have it so it is a big deal, therefore satan thinks he has an "out" in justifying fornications. But there shall be no out, nor any justification of the flesh. Fornications are natural you say? Yet the diseases they spread are also natural - and we are not for the natural - we are for the spiritual. Therefore, it is not wise for you to say "it is natural" because nature is what our spirits war against. Therefore - there is no justification through nature. For even diseases and murderers share the natural position. So then you fight the blind fight for satan, with a wrongful argument.If I am born gay, and I bring it to God, then where is the problem? For if I am born straight then I am equal to the gay person - Yet if I fornicate, will I say "I am justified because it is my nature". Why ofcourse not, for both are one and the same thing - the natural world.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 07-21-2004 05:55 PM

No, I'm not pushing for anythin though Ned. If anyone wants to fornicate now and then, then that's their choice. If gay people want to marry, then again - I say nothing. All I'm doing is saying what the bible says, which is my duty. If people want to ignore what it says, then that's their choice.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 07-21-2004 07:24 PM

Listen, I thought my post made it clear that gay/straights are equal to me. I mean, do I have to shout it. So why don't you believe me? I only said that sex isn't needful, as in; you can live without it, whereas you cannot live without food. Yet sex is meant for one particular thing according to the bible. So using it for rape because you are born sicko - won't justify the evil acts you then take.Didn't also, nature produce disease,illness, lusty robots etc.. Yet when God made it - he made it good. God's kingdom ISN'T of this world. Christ cast out natural diseases!Nature is against spirit according to the bible. Otherwise Christ would have said to go forth and spread your seed, with fornicaions etc. Well, would a rapist not have lust???Would a serial killer whom derives sexual pleasure from sadism, not have lust?Most killers INDEED know good from evil, otherwise they would make it known what they had done. NO, infact it's a strawman of my position by you. Because what I am infact saying, is that gay people will not be justified in their sexual actions because of being gay ANYWAY. So the real problems we face (biblists), is the flesh versus the spirit, lust versus love - etc.... THAT is what I am saying. So this whole "you're against gays" is rubbish.It is foolishness to say; "They are justified, yet the straight man isn't". Yet the world infact says that both are justified in their lust.Christ says not to fornicate/adulterate etc... Can you deny this?So now you can see, that according to the bible by just being christian we are obviously adherers to what Christ says about these things.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 07-21-2004 08:25 PM